[fuburules3]

I frequently find it very hard to untangle whether or not 3NT can be bid when playing with GIB. For instance: http://tinyurl.com/7fda4q7

Over 3C I would like to bid 3S asking partner to bid 3NT if he can stop the suit. However, 3S shows a big club raise (I'm no expert, so maybe this is better, but it doesn't feel better). GIB's 3S now shows a stopper instead of denying one and we end up wrong siding 3NT. It seems like there are a lot of sequences like this with GIB (where opps bid one suit and bidding the suit shows a stopper).

On a side note, why is 2H game forcing? I didn't realize free bids at the two level were game forcing in GIB.

[cloa513]

fuburules3, on 2012-March-17, 20:19, said:

I frequently find it very hard to untangle whether or not 3NT can be bid when playing with GIB. For instance: http://tinyurl.com/7fda4q7

Over 3C I would like to bid 3S asking partner to bid 3NT if he can stop the suit. However, 3S shows a big club raise (I'm no expert, so maybe this is better, but it doesn't feel better). GIB's 3S now shows a stopper instead of denying one and we end up wrong siding 3NT. It seems like there are a lot of sequences like this with GIB (where opps bid one suit and bidding the suit shows a stopper).

On a side note, why is 2H game forcing? I didn't realize free bids at the two level were game forcing in GIB.

3NT has no chance even played by North even if they lead a spade as you have 8 top tricks. North should just double for no fit and that is a winner with good play you take down 2S by at least 2. After a heart lead, then lead spades and hopefully North wins in a diamonds return and leads more spades if EW tries to set up diamonds to ruff so you take 4 diamonds, 2 clubs, 2 hearts.

[fuburules3]

cloa513, on 2012-March-17, 23:40, said:

3NT has no chance even played by North even if they lead a spade as you have 8 top tricks. North should just double for no fit and that is a winner with good play you take down 2S by at least 2. After a heart lead, then lead spades and hopefully North wins in a diamonds return and leads more spades if EW tries to set up diamonds to ruff so you take 4 diamonds, 2 clubs, 2 hearts.

I understand that 3NT is bad period, but it would certainly be better if it were played by north. I just posted this one because it came up today and struck me as particularly bad (that we ended up playing with the lead coming through Kx).

[steve2005]

think your unlucky
have 26 HCP and no possible game

[pigpenz]

sometimes the bidding gets tenuous and you never know what GIB has or doesnt have somtimes
so making the field bid 3NT is about all you can do when GIB wont bid 3NT with a stopper,
LOL usually he will bid 3NT with no stopper...but your example is what always happens to me
our side has game values they overcall and GIB with stopper cue bids at 3 level instead of bidding
3NT......I myself just wish he would bid 3NT instead of bidding 3♠.


But its interesting that again GIB fails to immediately set the contract by cashing the first 5 tricks.
Is he always afraid of rectifying the count for a squeeze for down one?