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Parner opens... You've got fit, a 4-card Major a 5-card minor and HCP's

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2012-March-03, 13:07

Red vs White, Teams:

♠AJxx
♥Axx
♦K
♣KQxxx

1♥-Pa-???

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-March-03, 14:11

hmm i dont really see the problem?
you only want to have the first bid?
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Posted 2012-March-03, 14:53

2C, then it depends on what partner does and whether or not we're playing SAYC or 2/1
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Posted 2012-March-03, 14:53

In a game forcing auction I am happy to bid my longest suit first, esp. if I can use the cheapest 2/1 to create a forcing auction.
I would not look for a spade game but prefer hearts. If we need discards in a long suit, we have clubs avaiable, so no need to prefera 4-4 spade game to a 5-3 heart game.
And the only suit we may need to discard are spades anyway. We can ruff diamonds. .)
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Posted 2012-March-03, 15:57

2♣ initially no matter what. The rest depends on system/agreements. I will obviously not make a passable call below 4♥
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Posted 2012-March-03, 16:05

I also with start with 2♣
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Posted 2012-March-03, 16:28

2C! ( 2/1 GF ) ... what's next ?
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Posted 2012-March-03, 16:34

2♣, far too strong to splinter, can't bid J2n with 3, what else were you thinking?
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Posted 2012-March-03, 17:01

Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-March-03, 17:21

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-March-03, 17:01, said:

Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?




3h

Now it is getting tricky

will we be able to sort out the best trump suit....not easy.
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Posted 2012-March-03, 17:26

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-March-03, 17:01, said:

Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?

Easy... 3H showing 3 card support and a double-fit.
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Posted 2012-March-03, 17:50

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-March-03, 17:01, said:

Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?

3♥, we have a double fit :)
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Posted 2012-March-03, 18:22

I don't see your problems. 2C followed by 3H is totally normal; there is no rocket science here.
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Posted 2012-March-03, 19:58

View Postmike777, on 2012-March-03, 17:21, said:

3h

Now it is getting tricky

will we be able to sort out the best trump suit....not easy.

This is a valid point. Give partner something like: X KXXXX AXX AXXX, and we probably feel good about a grand in clubs, but 6H might go down. Of course, that doesn't change the 3H bid at this point, which establishes 6 keycards and brings in the heart queen. Partner's distribution in spades and diamonds might be more difficult.
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Posted 2012-March-03, 20:02

Excellent. So far, so good. Partner cue-bids spades (which could be first round or second round control). What next?

In fact, I suppose you'll get to a point where you'll ask key-cards and partner will show 0-3 with 5♦. What then?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-March-03, 20:30

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-March-03, 17:01, said:

Since everyone agreed on 2♣, partner supports: 3♣. What now?

Now 3♥ showing double fit and thinking slam.
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Posted 2012-March-03, 20:52

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-March-03, 20:02, said:

Excellent. So far, so good. Partner cue-bids spades (which could be first round or second round control). What next?

In fact, I suppose you'll get to a point where you'll ask key-cards and partner will show 0-3 with 5♦. What then?

Queen ask, whatever that is for you 1430 folks who don't play Kickback. Then choose 7N if he has the heart queen, and 7 clubs if not.

If he had zero, instead of three, we will discuss the auction in the bar.
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Posted 2012-March-03, 21:08

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-March-03, 20:02, said:

Excellent. So far, so good. Partner cue-bids spades (which could be first round or second round control). What next?

In fact, I suppose you'll get to a point where you'll ask key-cards and partner will show 0-3 with 5♦. What then?

If you "asked" with 4S! = 6-ace RKC including ♥Q but not ♣Q, then after the 3 key card answer, you could ask for the ♥Q BELOW 5H .
However, instead, let's make a 3rd rnd Ctrl-ask for ♠ -- something we learned in a recent thread.

And that is by-passing the 5♠ ( K-ask ) with 5NT! ( essentially, the ♠Q-ask ) .
Replies are:
6H = no ♠Q
7H = x x doubleton ♠
6NT = ♠Q
6S = ♠Q J

If you get the ♠Q reply, you can count 13 tricks in 7NT :
4s, 2h, 2d, 5c = 13
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Posted 2012-March-03, 21:18

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-March-03, 20:52, said:

Queen ask, whatever that is for you 1430 folks who don't play Kickback. Then choose 7N if he has the heart queen, and 7 clubs if not.

If he had zero, instead of three, we will discuss the auction in the bar.


I suppose your partner doesn't support clubs with 3 to AJ or to the AT.

What can go wrong if you bid 1♠ over 1♥?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-March-03, 21:18

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-March-03, 20:52, said:

Queen ask, whatever that is for you 1430 folks who don't play Kickback. Then choose 7N if he has the heart queen, and 7 clubs if not.

If he had zero, instead of three, we will discuss the auction in the bar.


I suppose your partner doesn't support clubs with 3 to AJ or to the AT.

What can go wrong if you bid 1♠ over 1♥?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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