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A series of choices What to open, do you cuebid, do you move forward?

Poll: A series of choices (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Playing 12-14 NT, do you agree with 1 Diamond and rebid 2 Diamonds?

  1. Yes (5 votes [21.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.74%

  2. Open 1 Diamond, rebid 1NT (7 votes [30.43%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.43%

  3. Open 1NT (11 votes [47.83%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.83%

Do you agree with a 4 Club cuebid?

  1. Yes (21 votes [91.30%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 91.30%

  2. No, prefer 4 Spades (2 votes [8.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

What now?

  1. 4 Spades (13 votes [56.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 56.52%

  2. 4 NT (9 votes [39.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.13%

  3. 5 Clubs (1 votes [4.35%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

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#1 User is offline   skaftij 

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Posted 2012-January-07, 14:49


If I have made this specific agreement, then I will keep the agreement.
A partner can convince me to play nearly anything, but if partner breaks agreements, then you will fairly fast reach the point, that I wont be interested in playing any longer. Stick to your agreements.
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Posted 2012-January-07, 15:15

What would not occur to me is to rebid 2♦ on such a suit. If partner passes 2♦ chances are you are not in a good contract. Among others partner may pass 2♦ with a 4 card heart suit.
Either open 1NT or rebid 1NT. The hand qualifies in my opinion for opening 1NT (15-17).
Cue bidding 4♣ is okay. But over 4♥ I would certainly not press on.
Partner is likely to misjudge because of the 2♦ rebid. With a singleton in ♦ he will devalue his hand and with ♦ Jxx or ♦Qx he will believe there is a double fit.

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Posted 2012-January-07, 15:50

I'm ok with rebidding diamonds because of systemic reasons. 1NT is ok too.
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Posted 2012-January-07, 16:01

I couldn't vote for 'other' on the last poll: I would cue 5♦ over 4♥. I certainly wouldn't cue clubs again.
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Posted 2012-January-07, 16:21

opening 1d and rebidding 1n LIMITS the hand (to say 15-17
balanced) the 2d rebid can usually be made with a much
wider range of hands. The downside of not rebidding 1n
with this balanced hand is that p never knows you are so
balanced. Somewhere below or at game level the
one of the undefined hands need to define itself
and a sign off at 4s (over 4h) is a place to start
even though it is too late IMO.
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Posted 2012-January-08, 00:04

While the KQ tight is a negative, the two T and the reasonable 5 card suit make this seem as much like 15 as 14 to me. Being able to open 1♦ and support hearts and bid 1nt over 1♠ seems like a fine plan.

Over 3♠ a cue seems wise given the controls in your hand and the pretty good Ax support.

Given what you've shown so far, a cautious 4♠ seems right. There is some chance that you miss slam if partner has xx in diamonds with an otherwise good hand and reads your caution for quick diamond losers. But I think if slam is good, he'll probably make a move over 4♠ anyways.
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Posted 2012-January-08, 00:15

W/E. This pair should forget about all bidding problems until they stop making 2♦ bid on ATxxx :)
Now it's pure lottery, partner values his ♦Qxx high and his Kxx as the nuts. There is no chance whatsover for intelligent slam bidding now so we can just as well pull the rkcb and punt 6 hoping his SI is based on general strength and not ♦ fit.
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Posted 2012-January-08, 04:00

View Postrhm, on 2012-January-07, 15:15, said:

.... With a singleton in ♦ he will devalue his hand and with ♦ Jxx or ♦Qx he will believe there is a double fit.

Rainer Herrmann


Obviously, a singleton fits well with A10863 and Qx(x) is useful against KJ1083. Would you open the hand with 1NT with that Diamond holding?

If I have made this specific agreement, then I will keep the agreement.
A partner can convince me to play nearly anything, but if partner breaks agreements, then you will fairly fast reach the point, that I wont be interested in playing any longer. Stick to your agreements.
Marlowe (Uwe Gebhardt)
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Posted 2012-January-08, 10:50

Keycard. If for whatever reason 1D->2D is systemic you now have a maximum and partner is still interested. We have a solid trump Ace filler, diamond control, doubleton club which could be ensure a ruff or as a last resort maybe even the JT of hearts come into play.
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Posted 2012-January-08, 11:08

Would have opened 1N, now we have a normal keycard bid.
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Posted 2012-January-08, 15:03

Easy 1N opening and hate the 2♦ rebid although in some old school weak NT systems it's OK. I don't hate a 1N rebid but it's overstating the hand with a 14, a thin suit and about 2/3 of our points stuffed into short suits. The 10's are nice though.

Someone needs to step up and grab the reins in these auctions. I don't like 5♣ or 5♦ because it makes the auction difficult. Our hand is very useful - actually its the nuts, so I would just bid RKC.
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Posted 2012-January-10, 06:05

View Postskaftij, on 2012-January-08, 04:00, said:

Obviously, a singleton fits well with A10863 and Qx(x) is useful against KJ1083. Would you open the hand with 1NT with that Diamond holding?



I would not rebid diamonds even with this holding. I prefer a six card suit unless there seems to be no alternative. But rebidding diamonds is more sensible here. I still open 1NT.

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Posted 2012-January-10, 07:10

I would have opened 1NT downgrading the hand a tad because of KQ. 2D shows a 6 card suit for most. I assume the 3S call was forcing can be the only reason to cue 4C which I think is sensible enough. After 4H a simple 4S is plenty. Once the hand is downgraded from a strong NT, and we have advised partner we DO not hold a balanced hand 12-14 I think we have done enough damage to the bidding.
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