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Poll: ATB (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Who is to blame?

  1. All North (4 votes [17.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.39%

  2. Mostly North (3 votes [13.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

  3. Both North and South (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Mostly South (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. All South (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. No blame/Opponents/Other (16 votes [69.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.57%

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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2011-December-04, 18:48

Form of scoring: Swiss (7 board matches)


Assess the blame for missing a makeable game.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 18:56

Was it bid at the other table? If so good luck to them.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 19:30

Despite its low HCP total and the doubtful value of the ♥K, the North hand is huge opposite a 5 card spade suit. I assume the free 1♠ bid showed a 5 card suit.

I would bid 3♠ over 1♠ on the North hand. If that doesn't get us to game, then nothing short of 4♠ on the North hand will do. And that would be just too much.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 22:04

I blame West for not having ♠K :o
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Posted 2011-December-05, 01:08

View PostCascade, on 2011-December-04, 18:56, said:

Was it bid at the other table? If so good luck to them.

Yes. Unfortunately.
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Posted 2011-December-05, 02:41

If partner has ♠AKxxx then you have ten tricks but you might (probably) have four losers.

I think this one is a bit of a miracle. Neither player is going to appreciate how good their heart holding is.

Perhaps north could have done a bit more but south isn't going to bid game.
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Posted 2011-December-05, 03:07

I think East was too conservative, and was lucky to find ♠A offside.
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Posted 2011-December-05, 03:19

I don't think you're going to bid this one unless you're pushed into it by EW bidding at the 4 level. It's also not that good a game (50% for K♠ less the chance of a club ruff if they're not 3-2), around borderline for a vulnerable game at teams, so no real blame.
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Posted 2011-December-05, 08:06

Blame for missing a game on 18 hcp and an aceless hand vs flattish one? Gimme a break.
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Posted 2011-December-05, 11:03

South did nothing wrong.

Some charge to North. This is a pretty nice hand opposite five (I assume) spades. I'd muster up a 3♠ call I think, although I'm not sure South has enough to go on anyway.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 12:56

:P It is a 50-50 game?
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Posted 2011-December-06, 14:59

Nothing wrong that I can see - just unlucky. Maybe at IMPS, vul, North should try 3S.

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Posted 2011-December-06, 19:20

I'd bid 3♠ after 2♣, if lefty overcalls and righty limit raises I want them to guess now, not here 2 rounds of bidding. I know I'm competing to 3♠ (I assume like others that partner has 5♠ for the bid) so I'm going there now.

South should pass and we miss a game.
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