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At our table the bidding was as shown, and I managed to take 10 tricks. The contracts at the other tables were 4♠-1, 3NT+2 and 6♥-1.
How would you bid these hands?
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Posted 2011-December-04, 15:10
Playing in a team match in a local league, the following deal caused a lot of problems in the bidding:
At our table the bidding was as shown, and I managed to take 10 tricks. The contracts at the other tables were 4♠-1, 3NT+2 and 6♥-1.
How would you bid these hands?
At our table the bidding was as shown, and I managed to take 10 tricks. The contracts at the other tables were 4♠-1, 3NT+2 and 6♥-1.
How would you bid these hands?
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Posted 2011-December-04, 15:15
Quartic, on 2011-December-04, 15:10, said:
Playing in a team match in a local league, the following deal caused a lot of problems in the bidding:
At our table the bidding was as shown, and I managed to take 10 tricks. The contracts at the other tables were 4♠-1, 3NT+2 and 6♥-1.
How would you bid these hands?
At our table the bidding was as shown, and I managed to take 10 tricks. The contracts at the other tables were 4♠-1, 3NT+2 and 6♥-1.
How would you bid these hands?
Why did south pass a forcing bid?
South has an easy 3nt bid over 3s, easy.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 15:47
1. Its a useful agreement if 4th suit is forcing to game
2. Even if 4th suit is not forcing to game your partnership needs to know which auctions are forcing and which are passable - clearly there was a disagreement here
3. The auction looks fine up to 3♠ although 3NT is a possible alternative to 3♠
4. South can bid 3NT over 3♠ having a tough bid doesn't mean you should pass. South is better than minimum and should be reasonably happy bidding 3NT. Yes JTx isn't the typical sound stopper but partner knows you are not going to have great diamonds when you have shown at least 10 cards in two other suits.
2. Even if 4th suit is not forcing to game your partnership needs to know which auctions are forcing and which are passable - clearly there was a disagreement here
3. The auction looks fine up to 3♠ although 3NT is a possible alternative to 3♠
4. South can bid 3NT over 3♠ having a tough bid doesn't mean you should pass. South is better than minimum and should be reasonably happy bidding 3NT. Yes JTx isn't the typical sound stopper but partner knows you are not going to have great diamonds when you have shown at least 10 cards in two other suits.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 15:54
1♥-1♠-2♣-2♦-3♣-3♠-3NT its normal.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 16:45
No it's not. Normal is to butcher the hand LOL.
Leaving it at 3NT seems pessimistic. But north can raise 3NT to 4 and then south can pass.
Leaving it at 3NT seems pessimistic. But north can raise 3NT to 4 and then south can pass.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 16:56
whereagles, on 2011-December-04, 16:45, said:
No it's not. Normal is to butcher the hand LOL.
Leaving it at 3NT seems pessimistic. But north can raise 3NT to 4 and then south can pass.
Leaving it at 3NT seems pessimistic. But north can raise 3NT to 4 and then south can pass.
Opposite a misfitting minimum it seems reasonable to be pessimistic.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 16:58
With 17 hcp and a fitting jack? Come on, it's not that we got a min invite or something. It's south who doesn't have much to spade.
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Posted 2011-December-04, 19:27
We actually did have the agreement that 2♦ was forcing to game. Unfortunately partner forgot, and he wanted to stop before we got too high, because of the clear misfit. If he had bid 3NT, I would have raised to 4.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 06:45
1H = 10-17, 5+ hearts
... - 1S = INV+ relay
1N = min, 0-3 spades
... - 2C = GF relay
2D = 4+ clubs
... - 2H = relay
2S = 5+ clubs
... - 2N = relay
3C = 0-1 spades, 5 hearts, 5 clubs
... - 3D = relay
3H = 0=5=3=5
... - 3N
... - 1S = INV+ relay
1N = min, 0-3 spades
... - 2C = GF relay
2D = 4+ clubs
... - 2H = relay
2S = 5+ clubs
... - 2N = relay
3C = 0-1 spades, 5 hearts, 5 clubs
... - 3D = relay
3H = 0=5=3=5
... - 3N
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Posted 2011-December-08, 07:34
Quartic, on 2011-December-04, 19:27, said:
We actually did have the agreement that 2♦ was forcing to game. Unfortunately partner forgot, and he wanted to stop before we got too high, because of the clear misfit. If he had bid 3NT, I would have raised to 4.
Agree I would bid the same as you have, S bids 3nt and North invites with 4nt. South should then Pass.
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Posted 2011-December-08, 07:59
using Chapi
http://bridge.downag...P2CP2HP2SP2NP3H
responder bid 3nt expecting opener to be 12-14, opener overide with 4H showing 2/5 A and 18-22 (forcing up to 4Nt), responder will make a move for 6D (4S) but opener will consider his hand a minimum with a K of S wasted and we will probably play 5D.
http://bridge.downag...P2CP2HP2SP2NP3H
responder bid 3nt expecting opener to be 12-14, opener overide with 4H showing 2/5 A and 18-22 (forcing up to 4Nt), responder will make a move for 6D (4S) but opener will consider his hand a minimum with a K of S wasted and we will probably play 5D.
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Posted 2011-December-08, 11:02
benlessard, on 2011-December-08, 07:59, said:
using Chapi
http://bridge.downag...P2CP2HP2SP2NP3H
responder bid 3nt expecting opener to be 12-14, opener overide with 4H showing 2/5 A and 18-22 (forcing up to 4Nt), responder will make a move for 6D (4S) but opener will consider his hand a minimum with a K of S wasted and we will probably play 5D.
http://bridge.downag...P2CP2HP2SP2NP3H
responder bid 3nt expecting opener to be 12-14, opener overide with 4H showing 2/5 A and 18-22 (forcing up to 4Nt), responder will make a move for 6D (4S) but opener will consider his hand a minimum with a K of S wasted and we will probably play 5D.
Interestingly enough, 6♦ makes double dummy, as does 6NT by North.
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