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#1 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2011-July-03, 21:33



MP, would u pass or make another move ?
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Posted 2011-July-03, 21:44

I would pass. Partner is likely to be broke here and the King of H is of very dubious value.
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Posted 2011-July-03, 22:28

Bidding here would be a huge case of matchpointitis! It could work but it's pretty terrible imo.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 03:31

Well, I'm going try that terrible bid. Dbl. (ehehe)
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Posted 2011-July-04, 04:28

 whereagles, on 2011-July-04, 03:31, said:

Well, I'm going try that terrible bid. Dbl. (ehehe)


Double is not a bid, Nuno. It is a call. You are right when you describe it as terrible, by the way.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 04:36

X.

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Posted 2011-July-04, 05:54

 the hog, on 2011-July-03, 21:44, said:

I would pass. Partner is likely to be broke here and the King of H is of very dubious value.


Are you saying this because it is in ♥? Certainly positionally it is well placed or is there something about the diagram I am missing. IMV it looks to be behind the opening caller and 5+ cards in the ♥ suit.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 06:07

 the hog, on 2011-July-04, 04:28, said:

Double is not a bid, Nuno. It is a call. You are right when you describe it as terrible, by the way.


ye legalist :P
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Posted 2011-July-04, 06:18

Pass is the "book"-bid. So I'll make it whenever I am in a "book"-situation. That would require:

- Playing in a relatively stong, relatively homogenous field.
- Playing with a partner, I know would have prebalanced over 2♥ on a lot of hands. (Like ♠Q10xx/♥xxx/♦Qxx/♣xxx)
- Playing competent opponents, who will catch me appr. as often as any other strong pair, and who are not known to over-compete.

Being all white, the situation cries for competition beyond 2♥, and I would back in with a double at the slightest excuse.

After all, I don't hold:

♠ J32
♥ K9
♦ J982
♣ AQ92

a hand I would also make an initial TO-double with.

Changing just their vulnerabilety to red, I would be much more hesitant, as the occasional +200 will yield a fine score, and even +100 will beat the +90 I can easily imagine being out there on some boards.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 06:40

I don't see why the heart king is a dubious value either, it is useful on offense as well as defense. It seems like a clear pass though.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-July-04, 07:27


MrAce asks
MP, would u pass or make another move ?

At MP, it's a close decision
Double = 10, Pass = 9
The downside of double is that opponents may be trapping
or partner may think you've got a stronger hand.
The upside is that partner may have a five card minor. For example
eg ♠ xx ♥ xxx ♦ Qxx ♣ Kxxxx

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Posted 2011-July-04, 08:12

 nige1, on 2011-July-04, 07:27, said:

The upside is that partner may have a five card minor. For example
eg ♠ xx ♥ xxx ♦ Qxx ♣ Kxxxx


Uhuh.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-July-04, 08:27

If partner had xx xxx Qxx Kxxxx, wouldn't he have bid 3♣ already? He is also non-vulnerable and playing matchpoints.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-July-04, 15:23

Surely this is not a "I got a trick better than my last T/O dbl"
which a repeated double should be.
Do we have a 3m contract that is close?
To push them to 3H, but not discovering well-placed stuff for 4H?
Or even a 4-4 2S on nothing plus my 14?
Naw! Too small targets.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 16:18

I Pass. Dbling again should show perfect shape and/or no wastage in hearts. Sometimes one just has to let them play in their known 8-card fit on the two level, even MPs.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 17:33

 gnasher, on 2011-July-04, 08:27, said:

If partner had xx xxx Qxx Kxxxx, wouldn't he have bid 3♣ already? He is also non-vulnerable and playing matchpoints.


I would. But many wouldn't, so I'm not sure you can make that inference.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 18:29

gnasher said:

If partner had xx xxx Qxx Kxxxx, wouldn't he have bid 3♣ already? He is also non-vulnerable and playing matchpoints.

I wouldnt have bid 3♣
My answer is if the have in system a better support call like the Bromad 2♦ showing constructive fit I would x
if not I will pray a bit and still x. :unsure:
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Posted 2011-July-04, 22:59

I doubled, passing wins.


In fact pd had 5-5 minors, stiff ♥, xx ♠ with good 0 hcp ! I pushed them to 4♥ which was cold. LHO's 2♥ was loaded, 5♥ 332 10 hcp !
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Posted 2011-July-05, 01:12

 MrAce, on 2011-July-04, 22:59, said:

I doubled, passing wins.


In fact pd had 5-5 minors, stiff ♥, xx ♠ with good 0 hcp ! I pushed them to 4♥ which was cold. LHO's 2♥ was loaded, 5♥ 332 10 hcp !


No surprise here!
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Posted 2011-July-05, 02:51

Discipline advocates pass.
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