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Posted 2011-June-13, 09:54

opponent opens 1 club. (You are red, opps are white)

How would you rate a 2 spade overcall here?



Question 2: If one were playing Ogust over a weak jump overcall, how would you rate the bid?

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Posted 2011-June-13, 09:59

2♠ is bad because 1♠ clearly says that you have length in spades and enough strength to overcall, including some defensive values.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 10:11

very silly at R/W. it doesn't matter what kind of 2NT relay we play over it - they come up less than 1% of the hands, usually partner has a pass, 3♠ or a 4♠ bid, if LHO even passes.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 10:15

The hand is slightly offensive, but it has 2 defensive tricks, so you shouldn't hasten to suggest pard to save. As such 1♠ is probably better and it also has some preemptive value.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 10:24

We don't play Ogust, by the way, but I know that some people do.

I probably should have bid, but I didn't expect an Ace (or an outside King, actually) in partner's hand, and I didn't like my 3 clubs, the fact that the opener was behind my Kings, and the fact that we were red.

Should I have bid--either immediately or after the opener bid 3 clubs over my partner's jump overcall? This is imps.


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Posted 2011-June-13, 10:25

I would only bid 2♠ if we are white and partner is a passed hand.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 10:26

I don't like 2♠ because the hand is too strong if you find a fit. If you didn't have the 4th diamond I wouldn't mind that much. But overcalling 1♠ and getting raised wil mean a lot of potential tricks for our side.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 10:36

View Postmovingon, on 2011-June-13, 10:24, said:

Should I have bid--either immediately or after the opener bid 3 clubs over my partner's jump overcall? This is imps.


Red vs white, I would expect partner to have something in addition to ♠KJxxxx for the 2♠ bid; I might raise to 3♠ directly but would certainly do it after the 3♣ bid.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 11:10

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-June-13, 10:36, said:

Red vs white, I would expect partner to have something in addition to ♠KJxxxx for the 2♠ bid; I might raise to 3♠ directly but would certainly do it after the 3♣ bid.


ins't pass a bid?

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Posted 2011-June-13, 11:20

View Postbabalu1997, on 2011-June-13, 11:10, said:

ins't pass a bid?


No, pass is not a bid.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 11:32

Pass is a call. A bid includes a number and a denomination.

In the hand discussed I would prefer bidding 1♠ than 2♠. Pass is not to be criticized either.

1♠ > Pass >>>> 2♠

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Posted 2011-June-13, 11:46

Pass is a call and it is not worthy of consideration. I would bid 3♠ before I would pass.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 12:11

View PostPhil, on 2011-June-13, 11:46, said:

I would bid 3♠ before I would pass.

As your LHO, do I get to accept the bid which was made, rather than the replacement call?
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Posted 2011-June-13, 12:44

I would rate 2♠ as pretty terrible
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Posted 2011-June-13, 13:52

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-June-13, 11:32, said:

Pass is a call. A bid includes a number and a denomination.

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I agree with the first double and would repeat the same bid.

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Posted 2011-June-13, 14:00

Hi,

1S.

The main issue with 2S is, that you tell partner, that you are sure,
which suit should be trumps, Jxxxxx is not a suit with which to send
this message.
1S also alowes you to introduce your 2nd suit.

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Posted 2011-June-13, 14:56

A routine 1♠, no reason to spend too many brain cells on that.

If one happened to bid 2♠ anyway and partner ogusts, then the respond should clearly be to show a maximum hand. If partner has a fit then the hand improves and even gets out of range for the 2♠ bid. But it is much simpler just to bid 1♠ and avoid all of this.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 16:19

This is a white 1S opener for many, so I don't see why it should be a 2S hand.

View Postmovingon, on 2011-June-13, 09:54, said:

opponent opens 1 club. (You are red, opps are white)

How would you rate a 2 spade overcall here?



Question 2: If one were playing Ogust over a weak jump overcall, how would you rate the bid?

Thanks for your responses.

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Posted 2011-June-13, 16:22

I rate it somewhere between "It makes my eyes hurt", and "OMG GET ME OUT OF HERE THAT IS SUCH AN AWFUL BID"
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Posted 2011-June-14, 07:21

Looks like an obvious 1♠ bid, why should we jump?
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