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#1 User is offline   kayin801 

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Posted 2011-June-19, 14:41



Format is matchpoints, but please comment if you would lead differently at IMPs. Sorry if this is obvious.

Please rate different leads from this hand. Partnership agreement is 2/4, top of honor sequence.

Any comments on passive vs. aggressive leads against this type of auction are welcome as well.
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Posted 2011-June-19, 14:59

Even my (very crude) simulation likes Q♣ and they usually don't like active leads. As it's both standard, making my hand easier to read for partner and the most effective I choose it as my first lead :-)
My 2nd choice is 9/T ♦ and I think it's close. I wouldn't complain if partner lead it.
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Posted 2011-June-19, 14:59

I have no trouble leading the Queen of clubs. If it's wrong then that's too bad, but I lead it next time also (slow learner).
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Posted 2011-June-19, 15:08

I'd be annoyed with myself to make a passive lead (say trump) and the opps cash out when we had four top tricks.

So like everyone else it's Q clubs this time and probably next time.
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Posted 2011-June-19, 15:51


kayin801 wrote...
Format is matchpoints, but please comment if you would lead differently at IMPs. Sorry if this is obvious. Please rate different leads from this hand. Partnership agreement is 2/4, top of honor sequence. Any comments on passive vs. aggressive leads against this type of auction are welcome as well.

Agree with everyone...
A club lead stands out. ... ♣Q = 10, ♦T = 8, ♥Q = 6, ♥3 = 5, ♠5 = 2.
Rixi Markus recommends you lead an ace against a pre-empt.
Lacking an ace you lead as aggressively as you can

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Posted 2011-June-19, 18:14

I've actually had good success under-leading aces on this auction. This type of action (and other aggressive actions) tend to be highly effective when the opponents' strength is to your left (as it will be here). With opposing strength to the right (i.e. 2NT-Pass-4♥ transfer - Pass - 4♠ - All pass) I would tend to look more for passive leads.

Anyway, we don't have an ace, I'll go with the majority choice of a top club.
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Posted 2011-June-19, 20:33

club by a lot then heart by a lot then diamond by a lot
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Posted 2011-June-19, 20:37

Top club stands out for an average score against the field if the opponents own their bids.

No reason to think they don't and no hero lead is attractive going for the (wrong?) top or bottom swing except maybe a heart trying to cash a couple of those before they dissapear.
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Posted 2011-June-19, 21:34

I fail to see how everybody thinks this or that lead is obvious. The only thing that I find obvious is that you shouldn't lead a trump here. All the rest are pretty normal leads to me.
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Posted 2011-June-19, 22:39

I'd lead ♣Q too.
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Posted 2011-June-19, 23:06

Club Q and then a D. Why did one poster above with that get a downvote? This looks normal to me - the lead, not the downvote!
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Posted 2011-June-20, 04:43

Because some people are committed to give away more downvotes than they receive.

IMO:

♣Q=10
♦=0
♥=0
♠=-1
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Posted 2011-June-20, 05:20

I am very surprised you guys prefer ♥ to [trumps] lead. Imo ♥ is the worst choice by far.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 06:34

Great point by JLOGIC that a heart lead is better than a diamond lead. I agree, stuff is most likely to go away on diamonds. I also agree with everybody that the club queen is best.

How do people feel about a small club instead of the queen?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-June-20, 06:44

the tuba players gets on the Q♣ bandwagon :)
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Posted 2011-June-20, 10:35

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Great point by JLOGIC that a heart lead is better than a diamond lead. I agree, stuff is most likely to go away on diamonds.


Why ? We have less hearts than diamonds, so they have more on avarega also we can just blow a trick leading ♥ even if nothing is going away while it's very unlikely in diamonds.
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Posted 2011-June-23, 07:54

I'd lead a ♥ to be honest, but it's far from obvious. We don't know if LHO bid 4♠ preemptively, as a pre sacrifice, or to make. I think there's a big chance of finding some good ♥s in partner's hand and I want to create some tricks. On the other hand there's a chance that opener is quite short in ♥s in which case we won't make much tricks there ofcourse.
Leading ♣Q might look safe but it's rather dangerous imo. If we have some ♣ tricks to make, they'll probably won't go away. But leading a ♣ might give opps an opportunity to get rid of some losing ♥s (say ♣AT9x vs Kx).
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