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3♠ shows a good 8 or better. Was that an okay call? (I liked my ace, heart shortness and fifth spade more than I was upset by wasted Q and two jacks)
Now, do I bid again after partner showed lack of interest?
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Posted 2011-May-19, 00:27
Matchpoints.
3♠ shows a good 8 or better. Was that an okay call? (I liked my ace, heart shortness and fifth spade more than I was upset by wasted Q and two jacks)
Now, do I bid again after partner showed lack of interest?
3♠ shows a good 8 or better. Was that an okay call? (I liked my ace, heart shortness and fifth spade more than I was upset by wasted Q and two jacks)
Now, do I bid again after partner showed lack of interest?
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Posted 2011-May-19, 00:46
Since you no longer have to bid after the 2♥ bid, all the 0-6s or so are removed from the equation. So bidding voluntarily will show about 7-9 and jumping will be about 10-12. People might agree on different ranges than this but the point is any "bad/medium" hands won't bid at all so any bid will be "medium" or better.
3♠ is okay since partner probably has four, and it is good to get to the three-level with a nine-card fit as quickly as possible.
For a 3♠ bid, you will nearly always have five, so when partner does not bid 4♠, he does not have five. You have described your hand pretty well and maybe are even a little weak, so when partner decides that we don't belong at the 4-level, then trust him.
Also, when you make a pre-emptive bid, you have decided on the level it is ok to go to. If you bid again later, it is saying you made a mistake the first time. You decided the three-level was the right level to go to, and you can't change your mind now.
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Edit: By the way, your jacks and tens and nines in partner's suits are way more precious than your ace. I bet that if you removed them the majority of people would say that 3♠ is a bad bid.
Also your singleton isn't very precious because partner probably only has two. The law of marginal utility: No matter what holding you have, partner always had third-round control. Your singleton just makes it second-round instead, so it's not really worth three points. It WOULD be if you knew your partner had, say, four cards in the suit. Then you went from no control to second-round control.
(Marginal utility: imagine you are dying of thirst in the desert. You would pay a thousand dollars for a bottle of water. But you wouldn't pay a million dollars for a thousand bottles of water.)
3♠ is okay since partner probably has four, and it is good to get to the three-level with a nine-card fit as quickly as possible.
For a 3♠ bid, you will nearly always have five, so when partner does not bid 4♠, he does not have five. You have described your hand pretty well and maybe are even a little weak, so when partner decides that we don't belong at the 4-level, then trust him.
Also, when you make a pre-emptive bid, you have decided on the level it is ok to go to. If you bid again later, it is saying you made a mistake the first time. You decided the three-level was the right level to go to, and you can't change your mind now.
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Edit: By the way, your jacks and tens and nines in partner's suits are way more precious than your ace. I bet that if you removed them the majority of people would say that 3♠ is a bad bid.
Also your singleton isn't very precious because partner probably only has two. The law of marginal utility: No matter what holding you have, partner always had third-round control. Your singleton just makes it second-round instead, so it's not really worth three points. It WOULD be if you knew your partner had, say, four cards in the suit. Then you went from no control to second-round control.
(Marginal utility: imagine you are dying of thirst in the desert. You would pay a thousand dollars for a bottle of water. But you wouldn't pay a million dollars for a thousand bottles of water.)
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Posted 2011-May-19, 02:55
I know the hand 
. Even then I think pass is what you should do. Partner is the guy who knows accuratelly what you have, he made a decision.
Your ODR is pretty low, no spade honnors, bad clubs, a defensive heart honnor. Only the diamond suit is midly offensive.
. Even then I think pass is what you should do. Partner is the guy who knows accuratelly what you have, he made a decision.Your ODR is pretty low, no spade honnors, bad clubs, a defensive heart honnor. Only the diamond suit is midly offensive.
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Posted 2011-May-19, 23:16
Quantumcat, I'm not sure I agree with the ranges for 2♠ and 3♠. This is matchpoints, the suit I'm bidding is a major, and partner could still have anything. In our current style I would pass with 0-3 or so (or hands with no good suit to show and no stopper), but respond 2♠ on anything that's not completely broke and has four spades at least. Why do you feel we should compete only with good hands? I thought the main purpose was to look for a fit.
For the same reason, I disagree about 3♠.I am interested in hearing what are the disadvantages with what I described.
I think I may have a basic misunderstanding of something. My 3♠ bid was not intended was preemptive, it was intended to show a good hand in response to a takeout double. I don't worry about the 2♥ from RHO since he could have 4 points and 3 hearts for all I know. So, in case partner has a monster (1H opened on a nice 11), he has to know the hand is ours.
The reason I wanted to bid 4♠ was my attempt to use the LoTT, and I suspect I have something wrong there. I have a heart shortness (that partner doesn't know about) opposite his shortness, so they have at least a ten-card fit. I have a fifth spade partner doesn't know about, and I expect him to have four spades for his TO double (if he doesn't have four spades and has a minimum TO double, as is suggested by his pass over 4♥, then he probably has a five card minor and I expect him to bid it over 1♥ and not try to stick us in a 4-3 spade fit). So, there are at least 19 tricks out there, and from what I remember from the book, in such a situation you always bid 4♠ over 4♥.
So, where in my thinking (and apparently, methods) was I wrong?
For the same reason, I disagree about 3♠.I am interested in hearing what are the disadvantages with what I described.
I think I may have a basic misunderstanding of something. My 3♠ bid was not intended was preemptive, it was intended to show a good hand in response to a takeout double. I don't worry about the 2♥ from RHO since he could have 4 points and 3 hearts for all I know. So, in case partner has a monster (1H opened on a nice 11), he has to know the hand is ours.
The reason I wanted to bid 4♠ was my attempt to use the LoTT, and I suspect I have something wrong there. I have a heart shortness (that partner doesn't know about) opposite his shortness, so they have at least a ten-card fit. I have a fifth spade partner doesn't know about, and I expect him to have four spades for his TO double (if he doesn't have four spades and has a minimum TO double, as is suggested by his pass over 4♥, then he probably has a five card minor and I expect him to bid it over 1♥ and not try to stick us in a 4-3 spade fit). So, there are at least 19 tricks out there, and from what I remember from the book, in such a situation you always bid 4♠ over 4♥.
So, where in my thinking (and apparently, methods) was I wrong?
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Posted 2011-May-21, 11:26
Not sure what the bumping rules are in this forum, but I'd really appreciate an explanation of where my thinking is wrong / too optimistic / etc.
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