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Choice of Opening - 2C or not 2C?

#1 User is offline   ArtK78 

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Posted 2011-May-17, 23:16

IMP Pairs, nonvul vs. vul.

As dealer, you hold:





What is your opening bid?

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Posted 2011-May-17, 23:22

Only 3 losers, oodles of quick tricks, likely game opposite ♥Qxx and little else, it's a 2♣ opener for me. The only misfeature is the fact that it's a 2-suiter, which is difficult to show after 2♣.

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Posted 2011-May-18, 00:51

2♣. To be followed by 2♥ and then 3♦. Or 3♥ and then 4♦, if necessary.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 03:10

I open 2♣ on any hand which will likely make game opposite a considerable amount of hands that would pass a 1-level opening. This is a clear 2♣ opening imo.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 06:25

1♥ and later 3♦. I don't think the bidding will continue 1♥-Pa-Pa-Pa, there are 11 spades and 20 HCP's outside.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-May-18, 06:42

I don't disagree that the hand qualifies as a 2♣ opener. The misgivings about opening a two-suited hand with 2♣ are there, but it still seems that the hand is good enough to overcome those misgivings. Furthermore, significant interference by the opps seems unlikely at this vulnerability.

However, that was not the case.

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I apologize if I got some of the spots wrong in the original post (Spots edited in original post after reviewing hand).

Note that responder's 2♦ response was value showing but otherwise a waiting call. It is my understanding that this partnership uses a 2♥ response as a weakness showing response.

By opening 2♣, opener had to guess what to do over 5♣. If opener had opened 1♥, the auction would have gone:

1♥ - (P) - 2♥ - 5♣

Opener could have doubled or rebid 5♦ over 5♣ and gone plus. As it was, opener had a huge guess what to do over 5♣ and went wrong.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 06:46

Yes I open 2C. Not because I'm afraid this will get passed out (although it's a good reason too) but because I don't want to have to play catch-up after 1H-3D. A AK AKQ is way too good.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 06:51

I open 1♥

I strive not to open 2♣ with two suited hand patterns
This holds doubly true for two suiters with the red suits.

Even if we have an uncontested auction, I still need to worry about auctions like

2♣ - (P) - 2♥ - (P)
3♥
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Posted 2011-May-18, 08:09

1♥ it will be hard enough to bid this hand why make it harder by opening 2♣
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Posted 2011-May-18, 08:33

 hrothgar, on 2011-May-18, 06:51, said:

I open 1♥

Even if we have an uncontested auction, I still need to worry about auctions like

2♣ - (P) - 2♥ - (P)
3♥


Heh. Those who use 2♥ as an artificial negative better have some gadgets if they intend to perpetrate 2♣.

Their answers to the 1♥ vs. 2♣ debate will definitely be influenced by their follow-up structure.

For those of us who don't use the 2♥ response in this fashion, there are still plenty of other reasons we can find to open 1H; including the actual table action.
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Posted 2011-May-18, 15:01

So on one hand interference over a 2♣ opening causes problems. Does that really mean that opening 2♣ on this hand type is a bad idea, or are you guys "resulting"?
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Posted 2011-May-18, 15:33

I don't open 2♣ with 2 suiters, but if my system says aprtner will rebid 2♦ 80% of the time I have a comfortable auction if no overcalls wich is no biggie. We have a comfortable 4NT over 4♠ from opps also.

Too bad you picked up hearts and not diamonds at the 5 level. In theory AKQxx is a better trump than AKxxx. Also double or pass could be reasonable.

IMO 5♦ after 1♥-2♥ is a slam try and would not avoid playing hearts. But I would also bid 1NT F1 instead of 2♥
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Posted 2011-May-20, 12:00

 ArtK78, on 2011-May-18, 06:42, said:

Opener could have doubled or rebid 5♦ over 5♣ and gone plus. As it was, opener had a huge guess what to do over 5♣ and went wrong.

Opener doesn't have to do anything over 5♣. One advantage of opening 2♣ is that you are now in a forcing auction. Opener's bids here should show single-suited hands; if he needs help from partner to decide which strain to play in he can pass, which will get you to the right spot on this hand. I don't believe many pairs can bid a non-forcing 5♦ after 1♥ - 2♥ (5♣) anyway.
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Posted 2011-May-20, 12:48

This hand is a counter example, it easier to reach 5D after 2C than after 1H.

It could also be a a clear example of 1H all pass cold for 3nt/5D.
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Posted 2011-May-20, 13:56

 blackshoe, on 2011-May-18, 15:01, said:

So on one hand interference over a 2♣ opening causes problems. Does that really mean that opening 2♣ on this hand type is a bad idea, or are you guys "resulting"?

Not resulting, and not ignoring posts #8 or #10, either.
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Posted 2011-May-20, 14:39

2 suiters are difficult to show accurately when starting with 2♣, and there is always the possibility the opponents can pre-empt before you have called your real suit(s). On the other hand, can you hope to catch up if you open 1♥, or might it go pass, pass, pass.
On balance, I'm siding with the 1♥ opener's, seems the best shot to complete my hand description.
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Posted 2011-May-20, 14:51

2C

It will often be passed out over 1H (IMO).
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Posted 2011-May-21, 06:36

 ArtK78, on 2011-May-17, 23:16, said:

IMP Pairs, nonvul vs. vul.

As dealer, you hold:





What is your opening bid?

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2♣.
Risk is to great that this hand will be passed out, if you open 1X.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 06:32

open something strong, that's for sure.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 07:15

1H for me thanks, this does not fit into a 2C bid group for me. I doubt the auction will go all pass, it rarely does.
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