[gnasher]

Does a solid suit with a single high card outside fall into the category "with high cards outside", "without high cards outside", both or neither?

[VixTD]

gnasher, on 2011-May-06, 07:13, said:

Does a solid suit with a single high card outside fall into the category "with high cards outside", "without high cards outside", both or neither?

That was going to be my next question.

[lamford]

gnasher, on 2011-May-06, 07:13, said:

Does a solid suit with a single high card outside fall into the category "with high cards outside", "without high cards outside", both or neither?

I presume we fall back on the introduction to the Laws: <snip> Finally, unless the context clearly dictates otherwise, the singular includes the plural and the masculine includes the feminine, and vice versa. <snip>.

But high cards outside does suggest more than one, and how high do they have to be? I get such bad cards that I regard a nine as high!

[mycroft]

It looks like a "traditional" gambling 3NT meets 11K2b) or c), with no need to go to 11K3. 11K3 gets us "Namyats 3NT" or "Kantar 3NT" ("unspecified 4m preempt, broken minor likely"), as well as many other things.

I don't know where the traditional Acol 3NT "18ish HCP, 8ish tricks, long minor with at least two other suits stopped" fits - 112Ka) as long as "semi-balanced" includes AKTxxx in a 2363 hand, but maybe 11K3d) catchall if it requires a minor.

I, too, would be checking what N/S agreement *is*, and why South bid that way with such an obviously non-agreement hand; and offer corrections as (if!) necessary.

[bluejak]

gnasher, on 2011-May-06, 07:13, said:

Does a solid suit with a single high card outside fall into the category "with high cards outside", "without high cards outside", both or neither?

With

[campboy]

OK, so my agreement currently is "a solid 7+card minor with no ace or king outside". Does this count as "without high cards outside"?

[bluejak]

Yes

[mycroft]

That's another "we all know it" thing that probably should be noted - "high cards" in descriptions of Gambling 3NT == "A or K". Because strangely enough - we don't all know it.

It's amazing how much we "know" that isn't actually written down. Bridge is a fascinating game.
(failing, spectacularly, to comment on LeftPondia at this time)

[nige1]

gnasher, on 2011-May-06, 07:13, said:

Does a solid suit with a single high card outside fall into the category "with high cards outside", "without high cards outside", both or neither?

In practice, IMO, it is understood to belong to the category with high cards outside. But of course, again, the wording should be clearer.