[Fluffy]

♠AKQJ109
♥AJ62
♦K5
♣Q


NS Vul, RHO opens 2♥ what do you do?, what if RHO opens 3♥?

EDIT, sorry, I got the vulnerability wrong, we are Vulnerable and they are not.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

X - followed by 4S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Lurpoa]

P_Marlowe, on 2011-January-31, 02:16, said:

Hi,

X - followed by 4S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

on 2♥, in our system, I would bid 3♥: a 3level cue-bid. It shows a self-sufficient suit, with about 8 tricks (8,5).
If you do not play this: double and spades, at the lowest level, if partner doesn't give any positive signs.
on 3♥, X, no chance P will double this, and the 4♠

[Lurpoa]

Lurpoa, on 2011-January-31, 03:03, said:

on 2♥, in our system, I would bid 3♥: a 3level cue-bid. It shows a self-sufficient suit, with about 8 tricks (8,5).
If you do not play this: double and spades, at the lowest level, if partner doesn't give any positive signs.
on 3♥, X, no chance P will double this, and the 4♠

Correction:

on 2♥, in our system, I would bid 3♥: a 3level cue-bid. It shows a self-sufficient suit, with about 8 tricks (8,5).
If you do not play this: double and spades, at the lowest level, if partner doesn't give any positive signs.
on 3♥, X, no chance P will leave this in, and then 4♠.

[paulg]

Over 2♥ I double because I have heart length and the next hand will not be pre-empting in hearts, with a direct 3♠ a close second choice.

Over 3♥ I bid 4♠. The problem is that double followed by 4♠ over 4m shows a strong flexible hand for me and not a single-suiter, so we give up on these hands.

[whereagles]

Tempted to give up on slam and bid 4♠ in both cases.

Perhaps in the 1st I'll try dbl and, if pard bids a positive 3m, shoot 6♠ hoping for an ace across.

[y66]

3S over 2H. 4S over 3H.

Why double when you can show your hand type with a single bid?

I think I need a little more to bid 4S over 2H like ♠AKQJ109x ♥AJ6 ♦K5 ♣Q or ♠AKQJ109 ♥AJ6 ♦KQ5 ♣x

[mtvesuvius]

X then 4♠ over 2♥. 4♠ directly over 3♥. Cuebidding is silly.

[dellache]

Over 2♥, I'd bid DBL, followed by 4♠.
Over 3♥, I'd bid 4♠ directly to avoid 2 problems :
- having to rebid over 5♣ ;
- avoid uncertainty in pard's mind when I rebid 4♠/4m.
Still with all those controls, I'm not so happy about that.

[cherdano]

I don't understand all these doubles. Why are we trying to show a flexible hand? We should show a one-suiter in spades, the choices for which are 3♠, 4♠ or 3♥ followed by 4♠. It seems to me 3♠ is enough (especially as partner will expect more spades for 4♠).

[akhare]

4♠. Pard should expect a good hand with strong ♠, which is what I have...

[Fluffy]

To all the doublers, if we had something like

♠Q
♥AKQJ109
♦AJ42
♣K4


and RHO opened 2♦, would you also double?

what if we had a minor and RHO opened 2/3♠?

[ewleongusa]

Fluffy, on 2011-January-31, 01:58, said:

♠AKQJ109
♥AJ62
♦K5
♣Q


NS Vul, RHO opens 2♥ what do you do?, what if RHO opens 3♥?

EDIT, sorry, I got the vulnerability wrong, we are Vulnerable and they are not.

Since you don't preempt over a preempt, I would bid 4S in both cases as that would show a good hand.
I would not double as I don't want to risk the auction getting out of control when say partner bids five of a minor when LHO bids some number of hearts.
To make a slam on this hand you need a very good hand from partner to get rid of your heart losers. If his hand is that good partner is not going to pass 4S.

Eric Leong

[rhm]

ewleongusa, on 2011-February-04, 05:50, said:

To make a slam on this hand you need a very good hand from partner to get rid of your heart losers. If his hand is that good partner is not going to pass 4S.
Eric Leong

As little as ♠x,♥xx,♦AQJxx,♣xxxxx makes slam very good. I doubt that partner would bid over 4♠, but the slam would be hard to bid no matter what you do.

Rainer Herrmann

[mcphee]

3S over 2H looks right to me and that is a better hand than a 4S jump. I don't really understand double of 2H at all, especially from posters who say they plan to bid 4S over what ever partner does. Over 3H I might well be tempted to try 3N.

[Cyberyeti]

Double then an almost forcing 3♠ over 2♥, it is not 100% clear that you want to be in spades on this hand.

x, xx, QJx, AKxxxxx needs to be played in clubs for example, x, xx, Qxxxx, AJxxx in no trumps and xx, x, QJ10xxx, Axxx in diamonds.

Also are you expecting partner to bid over 4♠ with 87xx, x, Axxx, xxxx which is a cold slam.

Over 3♥, a singleton heart with partner is less useful, double then 4S is probably the best I can do as a mild slam invite

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on 2011-February-01, 03:50, said:

To all the doublers, if we had something like

♠Q
♥AKQJ109
♦AJ42
♣K4


and RHO opened 2♦, would you also double?

what if we had a minor and RHO opened 2/3♠?

Is this a question only for the doublers with the spade hand over 2H? Agree with the 3S bidders on the OP hand. With the above variation:
--3H over 2D
--systemic restrictions if we had a minor and RHO opened 2M. 4m is leaping Mike, so would have to do something else. Standing on the table before bidding 3m comes to mind, but doubling and praying is probably better. Don't think we can play NT below the six level after a double and a 4M advance by pard.

[Fluffy]

partner has a monster ♠xx ♥x ♦AQJ10x ♣AJ9xx and I doubt you will miss grand whatever you do, but was curious if people think a jump to 3/4♠ and a jump to 3/4♥ show different hands since doubling with spades is much more attractive than with hearts.

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on 2011-February-04, 19:42, said:

partner has a monster ♠xx ♥x ♦AQJ10x ♣AJ9xx and I doubt you will miss grand whatever you do, but was curious if people think a jump to 3/4♠ and a jump to 3/4♥ show different hands since doubling with spades is much more attractive than with hearts.

heck, i don't know...but doubling first, for us, tends to show doubt about what trump should be. When a jump over a preempt is available to show strength and a great suit ---it seems wrong to cloud the issue with a double.