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#1 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

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Posted 2010-November-17, 20:52

Another hand from the Cayne match, how would you bid these two hands?
South is the Dealer, and W will overcall 1♠ if S opens on the 1 level, otherwise will pass.
You can relay and do whatever you'd like, but if possible, I'd like a 2/1 auction as well :)
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Posted 2010-November-17, 21:17

I think I like your auction, short and to the point. :) I doubt I would reach the theoretical top spot in practise even though I can make up an auction and assumptions to get there. Relays for me are off in competition so it's natural bidding (yuck).

1H - (1S) - 2C; 3C - 4D; 4N - 5D; 5N - 6N

4D is kickback, 5D asks for kings, 5N shows no kings but a useful extra (in context the HQ). Perhaps that should be enough for the grand but I am confident I would not bid it in real play being scared of a 2524 hand opposite.
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Posted 2010-November-17, 23:56


1♥=11-16, 4+♥, unbalanced, may have longer minor.
(1♠)=overcall.
2♣=10+, 5+♣, forcing to 2NT.
2♥=5+♥,tends to be minimum.
2♠=cue bid to force.
3♣=second suit.
4♦=Kickback.
4NT=2 keys, no queen
5♦=Kings?
6♣=none.
7♣=gambling that the hearts are good. (Likely on your hand.)

7♣ over 4NT is a good alternative.
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Posted 2010-November-18, 02:46

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2010-November-17, 20:52, said:

Another hand from the Cayne match, how would you bid these two hands?
South is the Dealer, and W will overcall 1♠ if S opens on the 1 level, otherwise will pass.
You can relay and do whatever you'd like, but if possible, I'd like a 2/1 auction as well :)
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I'm assuming rkc is for clubs, not hearts.
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Posted 2010-November-18, 03:30

Playing no-frills natural methods:

1♥ (1♠) 2♣
3♣ 4♣
4♦ 4♥
5♣ 5♦
5NT 7♣

All the bids after 4♣ are cue-bids, except 5NT which is GSF.
4♥ should be the ace or king, because it's in opener's suit.
5♦ obviously promises ♠A.

The key to reaching the grand slam is for responder to tell opener about ♥K. If responder takes control, he will never be able to work out what the right level is.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-November-18, 05:12

1♥-(1♠)-2♣
3♣-3♦
3♥-4♦
4N-5♦
5N-7♣

4♦ is keycard, 4N 2 without
5♦ in conjunction with 3♦ shows all the aces and ♦AK
5N shows a source of tricks and grand interest (presumably the heart suit as it denies the K♥ and K♠, so it more or less translates to bid 7 with the K♥)

It's possible the auction will continue 7♥-7N, but at teams will probably stop there.
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Posted 2010-November-18, 05:21

I'd start with a pass, maybe not best, but when RHO overcalls my suit I pass in tenths of a second.

1♥-(1♠)-pass
2♥-2♠
3♣-4♣
4♦-4NT
5♥-

didn't expect this, but seems passing works wonders describing the 2614 perfectly, there is no clue about ♥Q nor a way to ask in my system, however partner must have 1 queen at least for opening strengh, since ♠Q might just as well be good enough he has 8 major cards versus 1 diamond so seems like enough 8/9 to be a right queen (not sure if this math is sound).

So 7♣ for me even though I didn't expect to reach it after passing.

The bid I have my most doubts is 4♦, minimum hand doesn't have to cuebid, and might just try natural 4♥, wouldn't blame anyone for doing so.
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Posted 2010-November-18, 06:18

1♥
(1♠)
2♣ = natural, 10+
3♣ = raise, 11-14
3♠ = cue, setting GF
4♥ = suggesting a game (implying 4♣, because with 6♥3♣ opener rebids 2 ♥)
4NT = RKCB for clubs
5♥ = 2 KC, no Q
7♣
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Posted 2010-November-18, 08:20

Why are we all playing 7♣ instead of 7NT, especially Gnasher? Aren't you afraid of a ♠ ruff?
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Posted 2010-November-18, 10:47

View Postmikestar13, on 2010-November-17, 23:56, said:


1♥=11-16, 4+♥, unbalanced, may have longer minor.
(1♠)=overcall.
2♣=10+, 5+♣, forcing to 2NT.
2♥=5+♥,tends to be minimum.
2♠=cue bid to force.
3♣=second suit.
4♦=Kickback.
4NT=2 keys, no queen
5♦=Kings?
6♣=none.
7♣=gambling that the hearts are good. (Likely on your hand.)

7♣ over 4NT is a good alternative.


Re: 4D ( kickback, RKC for ♣ ) with North doing the asking:

4D! - 4NT! ( 2 - cQ )
??
.. 5C = to play
.. 5D! = specific K's ask; reply up-the-line
.. 5H! = 3rd Rnd Ctrl ask ( by-passing the K-ask ) in asked for suit, Hts
( partnership needs to know that this is not "to play" in Responder's suit )

Replies to 5H! ( this bid has guaranteed all 5 key cards ) :
6C = no 3rd Rnd Ctrl
5NT = ♥Q... ( no ♥J )
6H = ♥Q J...

then 7C ? or 6NT/7NT ?

North can count a sure 12 tricks at 6NT:
1s, 4h, 2d, 5c


If Responder only has 5 cards Hts, then would need a 4-3 split for 7NT to make;

And Opener doesn't know about the Responder's stiff Diam which would allow 7C to make
even with a bad split in Hts.

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Posted 2010-November-18, 11:24

View PostFree, on 2010-November-18, 08:20, said:

Why are we all playing 7♣ instead of 7NT, especially Gnasher? Aren't you afraid of a ♠ ruff?


Because I was so pleased with myself for having got to a grand slam that I didn't think of it. I agree - in my auction South can count 13 tricks in notrumps.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-November-19, 12:07

View PostFree, on 2010-November-18, 08:20, said:

Why are we all playing 7♣ instead of 7NT, especially Gnasher? Aren't you afraid of a ♠ ruff?

I never got to know about ♥Q :(, and I am worried about spade ruff but must live with it. Others are playing from north so don't have a ruff hazzard
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