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#1 User is offline   Cyberyeti 

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Posted 2010-November-19, 17:34



South deals, EW vul.

4 board round of VPd multiple teams you think you're behind and this is the last board. That meant we propelled ourselves to 6♣ to rescue some IMPs via the auction 1♣-1♦-1♥-3N-4♣-4♦(RKC)-4♥(0/3)-4♠(Q♣)-5♣(yes but nothing else, 4N would deny)-6♣.

Do you want to be in this ? how would you bid if not pushing ? And how would you play it on the 5♦ lead ?
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Posted 2010-November-19, 19:48

I would probably play it as well starting with 1♣-1♦-1♥-1♠-3♣, 1♠ being 4SF for me.

Its a great contract only the diamond lead makes it difficult, after a hating gaze to LHO I'd play ♦A and a spade from dummy, they don't know how many spades I have so they have a problem here, they might even try to cash ♦K and set dummy.
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Posted 2010-November-19, 21:05

When I bid this through (not pushing) I reached 6C but not with massive confidence and I am not at all sure I would actually make it. I would play HA and a H ruff before the spade but I concede my card play is not the best.

1C = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any (hand is an upgrade to 18 with 8 tricks)
- 1H = 4+ spades, 9+, GF

1S = relay, usually 18+
- 2C = 4+ diamonds, at least 5-4

2D = relay
- 2H = 4 spades

2S = relay
- 2N = 5 diamonds

3C = relay
- 3D = 4153

3H = relay
- 4C = extras, 3 controls

4D = relay
- 4N = spade and diamond controls, no club control

6C
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Posted 2010-November-20, 03:22

View PostFluffy, on 2010-November-19, 19:48, said:

I would probably play it as well starting with 1♣-1♦-1♥-1♠-3♣, 1♠ being 4SF for me.

Its a great contract only the diamond lead makes it difficult, after a hating gaze to LHO I'd play ♦A and a spade from dummy, they don't know how many spades I have so they have a problem here, they might even try to cash ♦K and set dummy.

First spade holds.
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Posted 2010-November-20, 05:47

then I ruff a heart in dummy and exit ♠K planing to make 2♠, 3♥, 1♦ 6♣
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Posted 2010-November-21, 15:12

View PostFluffy, on 2010-November-20, 05:47, said:

then I ruff a heart in dummy and exit ♠K planing to make 2♠, 3♥, 1♦ 6♣

This works fine. The other line that works well in this case is Zel's.

RHO has 6 hearts, A♠ and a stiff J♣, so if you play A♥ and a ♥ ruff, and when the J♠ holds, you ruff another ♥ and E discards, diamond ruff, heart ruff, and all you lose is a ♠.
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Posted 2010-November-21, 19:27

I think 6C is normal even when not pushing. My auction with my reg p would have gone 1C-1S (majors first), 2H-3C (GF since no Leb), followed by a bunch of cuebids. In Walshy 2/1, the proposed 1C-1D, 1H-FSF route looks normal.
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Posted 2010-November-23, 13:02

I think this is plausible

1♣ 1♦
1♥ 2♠
3♣ 4♣
etc...
6♣

2♠ = natural, GF (walsh style)
3♣ = descriptive of the 6-4. Better than 3NT
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Posted 2010-November-23, 13:16

View Postwhereagles, on 2010-November-23, 13:02, said:

I think this is plausible

1♣ 1♦
1♥ 2♠
3♣ 4♣
etc...
6♣

2♠ = natural, GF (walsh style)
3♣ = descriptive of the 6-4. Better than 3NT


Why 2♠? 1♠ should be natural and GF, and 2♠ GF but <4♠.

1♣ - 1♦
1♥ - 1♠
3♣ - 4♣

looks like an obvious start and you'll get to 6♣ without a lot of difficulty.
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Posted 2010-November-23, 14:09

View PostPhil, on 2010-November-23, 13:16, said:

Why 2♠? 1♠ should be natural and GF, and 2♠ GF but <4♠.

1♣ - 1♦
1♥ - 1♠
3♣ - 4♣

looks like an obvious start and you'll get to 6♣ without a lot of difficulty.

Each to his own, for me 1♠ is F1 (not FG) and not necessarily ♠ and 2♠ a splinter agreeing ♥, but I play a 4+ card ♣.
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