[karlson]

♠T98xx ♥A ♦A ♣AKTxxx

w/w at imps

1♦-p-p

2♦ would be the majors.

[pooltuna]

we have a game IMO if we can get partner to raise ♠ so start with a 1♠ call. The chances for a ♣ game are more distant because finding a fit will be harder and you need 11 tricks

[andy_h]

Bidding my longest suit generally serves me well, so 2C.

[P_Marlowe]

2C.

If your feeling is, that you are too strong for the call, than start with X,
but 2C gives you the best shot at reaching your best contract.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

2♣

[rhm]

1♠

Opponents are less likely to let you stew in 1♠ when you belong in ♣ than the other way round.
If you bid ♣ a good opponent in the balancing position with shortage in ♠ will wonder where they are.
Also partner is more likely to keep the bidding open over 1♠ than 2 ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

[mtvesuvius]

2♣ seems normal. Once again, if my secondary suit was hearts it might be a bit harder, but whatever happens now, we can bid spades next. Unfortunately it may have to be on the 3 level, but I think this hand is good enough.

[karlson]

I bid 2♣. It went p-p-p. I don't really blame partner for passing with ♠KJx ♥QJxx ♦KJxxx ♣x but it was not a success this time.

Still not sure what's right, but I'm coming around to 1♠.

Amazingly we won 5 imps when the other table got to 6♠.

[mike777]

karlson, on 2010-November-15, 15:50, said:

♠T98xx ♥A ♦A ♣AKTxxx

w/w at imps

1♦-p-p

2♦ would be the majors.

x


This hand is way too good for a simple 2c or 1s in bal seat....This is a 4 loser hand if we have a fit.


"1d=p=p=?...the normal range for a simple suit bid by south in this situation would be 8-13 hcp."

p.34 Encyclopedia of Bridge

[Free]

mike777, on 2010-November-16, 08:52, said:

"1d=p=p=?...the normal range for a simple suit bid by south in this situation would be 8-13 hcp."

p.34 Encyclopedia of Bridge

Yeah, if you want to make an encyclopedia you have to cover everything, whether it's correct, up to date, standard, or just some space filling...

[Zelandakh]

karlson, on 2010-November-16, 08:19, said:

I bid 2♣. It went p-p-p. I don't really blame partner for passing with ♠KJx ♥QJxx ♦KJxxx ♣x but it was not a success this time.

Still not sure what's right, but I'm coming around to 1♠.

Amazingly we won 5 imps when the other table got to 6♠.

If your style is to pass a 2 level overcall with an opening hand then you need to treat the original hand as strong and either double or use your applicable 2-suited method. If the given hand is a 2C overcall then you should probably reply 2H or 2NT. As so often it matters more that partners are on the same page about where the lines are than exactly which method is chosen.

[mfa1010]

2♣. The right description is clubs then spades and that is what I would try to do.

There was a deal a few years ago from some US national with the same 5116 shape but an even stronger hand. The player who had that hand chose 2♣, and when it went p-p righty balanced 2♥ and he followed up with 5♠!
The hand was later used in master solvers club in The Bridge World, and there a solid majority was in favour of starting with 2♣.

[nige1]

karlson, on 2010-November-15, 15:50, said:

w/w at imps ♠T98xx ♥A ♦A ♣AKTxxx
1♦-p-p
2♦ would be the majors.

IMO 2♣ = 10, _X = 8, 1♠ = 6. Why is rhm laughing?

[gnasher]

If you're discussing what to do with this hand next time, you should consider changing the meaning of 2♦. If you play 2♦ as showing any two suits, this sort of hand stops being a problem.

Fully defined two-suited bids are a good idea in second seat, because the opponents may be about to jump to game. When it goes 1x-pass-pass, however, you can expect to be allowed to bid your hands in peace most of the time.

[Free]

gnasher, on 2010-November-16, 13:11, said:

If you're discussing what to do with this hand next time, you should consider changing the meaning of 2♦. If you play 2♦ as showing any two suits, this sort of hand stops being a problem.

Fully defined two-suited bids are a good idea in second seat, because the opponents may be about to jump to game. When it goes 1x-pass-pass, however, you can expect to be allowed to bid your hands in peace most of the time.

You can also just play Ghestem so you don't even have problems when LHO bids again...

[mtvesuvius]

Free, on 2010-November-17, 03:48, said:

Ghestem

*puke*