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#1 User is offline   Little Kid 

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Posted 2010-October-06, 07:49

What do you think is expert standard for Double in the following auction? If it is different, what do you play it as?

2♣-(Pass)-2♦-(2♠)
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Posted 2010-October-06, 08:09

Takeout.
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Posted 2010-October-06, 08:12

Surely Double here is penalty, presuming 2♣ is strong?
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Posted 2010-October-06, 08:12

http://www.bridgeworld.com/default.asp?d=b...=bwsall.html#VB
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Posted 2010-October-06, 08:23

Won't presume to know what "standard" is. Pass=takeout, double=desire to defend 2S is our choice. 2NT? Heck, maybe a 2NT rebid.
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Posted 2010-October-06, 09:15

As default, double is to defend in gameforcing auctions. Pass acts as neutral or takeout. Most serious partnerships have discussed this situation and many seems to make other agreements.
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Posted 2010-October-06, 09:33

Generic forcing pass agreement - the X is for penalty.
We have changed this to T/O.

Which followes our general guidline, "all" low level doubles are for T/O.

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Posted 2010-October-06, 09:44

Pass is forcing ( hence T/O ).
X = penalty.
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Posted 2010-October-07, 01:14

Depends on the meaning of 2♦, but I'd take it as penalty.
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Posted 2010-October-07, 07:26

Free, on Oct 7 2010, 02:14 AM, said:

Depends on the meaning of 2♦, but I'd take it as penalty.

I think it doesn't matter on the meaning of 2♦ -- whether it is simply waiting and possibly a 2nd negative follow-up or whether you play 2♥! as an immediate negative with 2♦ as waiting but positive.
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Posted 2010-October-08, 08:06

Okay, so I guess pretty much nobody here plays it as 22-24 balanced then.
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Posted 2010-October-08, 10:43

Little Kid, on Oct 8 2010, 09:06 AM, said:

Okay, so I guess pretty much nobody here plays it as 22-24 balanced then.

The following different sequence ( an immediate Overcall ) shows Opener with a 22-24 balanced ( I believe in Bridge World Standard ):

2C - ( 2D/2H/2S ) - pass! - ( p )
X = 22-24 balanced

where Responder's pass! was forcing ( whereas if Responder had Doubled, it would have been his weakest action -- immediate "2nd negative" . )

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Edit... I just clicked on the website in rbouskila's post for the Bridge World:

http://www.bridgewor...=bwsall.html#VB

and it shows that Free is right !!! Opener's X would depend on the meaning of 2♦ in your original sequence ( Overcall AFTER Responder's bid ):

2♣-(Pass)-2♦!-(2♠)
X = ??
If 2D were waiting but positive, then Opener's X = ?? undefined by Bridge World...

Bridge World only shows this sequence after Responder's immediate negative ( 2H! ) :

2♣-(Pass)-2♥!-(2♠)
X = PENALTY, whereas pass would be forcing.

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Conclusion: I have no (reference) answer for your sequence.
Something to be discussed with partner.

Edit 2: In my previous post I just "assumed" Opener's X was penalty for the 2D! ( waiting, but positive ) case also.
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