[jdonn]

cherdanno, on Sep 5 2010, 04:49 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 5 2010, 12:30 PM, said:

Phil, on Sep 5 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

- partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely.

Why not?

This thread is still so lol. Oh no, we would play 1NT instead of 1♠ in a 5-0 fit, we can't let that happen!

Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!!

Well yes but I am specifically referring to the answer(s!) that make it seem like bidding is worse playing standard american than playing 2/1.

[wank]

i love passing but i'd piss myself laughing at anyone who passed this - why are you desparate to put your spade void down as trumps?

[Phil]

By the way if my earlier post wasn't clear, I think this is an easy 1N call.

[the hog]

wank, on Sep 6 2010, 05:49 AM, said:

i love passing but i'd piss myself laughing at anyone who passed this - why are you desparate to put your spade void down as trumps?

Who says you will? Perhaps you would like to put your hand down after partner rebids S at some higher level?

[aguahombre]

cherdanno, on Sep 5 2010, 03:49 PM, said:

Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!!

I think you mean 4H.

[jdonn]

aguahombre, on Sep 5 2010, 08:06 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 5 2010, 03:49 PM, said:

Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!!

I think you mean 4H.

Depends if your methods are good or not, but either way wouldn't you rather play 4♥, which might give you a GAME bonus, opposite a strong hand than a 5-0 fit at the 1 level?

[rduran1216]

jdonn, on Sep 5 2010, 10:46 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 5 2010, 08:06 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 5 2010, 03:49 PM, said:

Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!!

I think you mean 4H.

Depends if your methods are good or not, but either way wouldn't you rather play 4♥, which might give you a GAME bonus, opposite a strong hand than a 5-0 fit at the 1 level?

why are you convinced this is our hand?

make partner 5143 or 5242 or 6232 or 6241 or 6223 with a 12 count.

Now it goes 1S p 1N x p p p

or 1S p 1N x 2S p p x p p ?

or 1S p 1N p p p

Do we really wanna play 1NT in a hand we could easily go down 3?

If partner shows a good 17-18 with 2N how do we decide on 4H or 3H. Maybe our partner has an AQJ10xx spade suit that will be just fine opposite a void.

I think bidding 1NT in standard is wishful thinking/irresponsible

[JLOGIC]

THis thread was a great laug h lol, cant wait to live withy ou jdonn

[Free]

Unless playing Gazzilli or something similar, I'd probably pass.

Yes, we could have an easy game or slam if partner has a lot of ♥s. I know you shouldn't count on opps to help you, but I'm pretty sure the hand won't die out. And if it does, then we play 1♠ instead of a likely 2♠ or 3♠.

The thing is: it depens a lot on partner's hand. What is the chance he'll rebid ♠ vs the chance he'll rebid something else. If he bids ♠ we're screwed, if he bids something else we can easily get our suit in (just wondering if that's a good idea though). Not sure what the chances are, but I'm interested.

Oh, has everyone seen this is MATCHPOINTS (especially Josh who's eager to get the game bonus)?

[gnasher]

Free, on Sep 6 2010, 10:43 AM, said:

Oh, has everyone seen this is MATCHPOINTS (especially Josh who's eager to get the game bonus)?

I think that the form of scoring gives us more reason to bid. How many matchpoints do you expect for 1♠-2?

[Free]

gnasher, on Sep 6 2010, 11:42 AM, said:

Free, on Sep 6 2010, 10:43 AM, said:

Oh, has everyone seen this is MATCHPOINTS (especially Josh who's eager to get the game bonus)?

I think that the form of scoring gives us more reason to bid. How many matchpoints do you expect for 1♠-2?

More than from 2♠-3, 3♠-4 and 3♥ down a few in a 6-1 fit ; less than a ♣ or ♥ contract with fit...

[pooltuna]

rduran1216, on Sep 5 2010, 11:54 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 5 2010, 10:46 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 5 2010, 08:06 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 5 2010, 03:49 PM, said:

Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!!

I think you mean 4H.

Depends if your methods are good or not, but either way wouldn't you rather play 4♥, which might give you a GAME bonus, opposite a strong hand than a 5-0 fit at the 1 level?

why are you convinced this is our hand?

make partner 5143 or 5242 or 6232 or 6241 or 6223 with a 12 count.

Now it goes 1S p 1N x p p p

or 1S p 1N x 2S p p x p p ?

or 1S p 1N p p p

Do we really wanna play 1NT in a hand we could easily go down 3?

If partner shows a good 17-18 with 2N how do we decide on 4H or 3H. Maybe our partner has an AQJ10xx spade suit that will be just fine opposite a void.

I think bidding 1NT in standard is wishful thinking/irresponsible

you are not sitting for any x of 1NT so that can't happen

and while an X of 2♠ is more problematical a runout could still work

[Codo]

pooltuna, on Sep 6 2010, 09:32 PM, said:

you are not sitting for any x of 1NT so that can't happen

and while an X of 2♠ is more problematical a runout could still work

yes and no.

[hanp]

gnasher, on Sep 6 2010, 05:42 AM, said:

Free, on Sep 6 2010, 10:43 AM, said:

Oh, has everyone seen this is MATCHPOINTS (especially Josh who's eager to get the game bonus)?

I think that the form of scoring gives us more reason to bid. How many matchpoints do you expect for 1♠-2?

No I don't agree Andy.

While I would bid at any form of scoring, I think it is much clearer at IMPs.

[jdonn]

Free, on Sep 6 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

Oh, has everyone seen this is MATCHPOINTS (especially Josh who's eager to get the game bonus)?

New jdonn law: GAMES ARE GOOD AT MATCHPOINTS TOO!!!
Corrolary: SO ARE SLAMS!

[jdonn]

If I hold this hand my best laugh will be if partner rebids 4♠ and makes it. Or if he rebids 3♠ and I bid 4♥ and make it. Oh no, partner rebid spades, the world has come to an end.

[hanp]

I don't know what you mean by that post Josh. If partner rebids spades, it is very likely that you are going down, and probably more than those in 1S. This will usually be quite bad in a poor MP field where most don't respond with fewer than 6 HCP.

[jdonn]

hanp, on Sep 6 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

I don't know what you mean by that post Josh.

Seems pretty clear to me? I told you what scenario would give me the best laugh. I meant nothing more than that. If you were having this ridiculous argument with people and they kept saying "what if partner rebids spades" wouldn't you laugh if your partner rebid spades and it worked out well? Just like they should laugh if my partner rebids hearts and it works out badly (lol?)

[the hog]

jdonn, on Sep 6 2010, 11:48 PM, said:

hanp, on Sep 6 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

I don't know what you mean by that post Josh.

Seems pretty clear to me? I told you what scenario would give me the best laugh. I meant nothing more than that. If you were having this ridiculous argument with people and they kept saying "what if partner rebids spades" wouldn't you laugh if your partner rebid spades and it worked out well? Just like they should laugh if my partner rebids hearts and it works out badly (lol?)

I guess what is more likely? I wonder if someone could do a simulation?

[Free]

The_Hog, on Sep 7 2010, 01:48 AM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 6 2010, 11:48 PM, said:

hanp, on Sep 6 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

I don't know what you mean by that post Josh.

Seems pretty clear to me? I told you what scenario would give me the best laugh. I meant nothing more than that. If you were having this ridiculous argument with people and they kept saying "what if partner rebids spades" wouldn't you laugh if your partner rebid spades and it worked out well? Just like they should laugh if my partner rebids hearts and it works out badly (lol?)

I guess what is more likely? I wonder if someone could do a simulation?

Yeah I'd love a simulation as well because I have no idea what's more likely. Probably Josh will be proven right again though