[rduran1216]

Playing Standard American You hold

Scoring: MP

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Your partner opens 1S and it goes pass to your right.

3H?...pass?...

[karlson]

What's wrong with 1n?

[aguahombre]

What's wrong with Pass?

[Hairy_Scot]

aguahombre, on Sep 5 2010, 01:04 PM, said:

What's wrong with Pass?

Hear Hear!!!
A much neglected bid in some circles.

[655321]

Don't understand passing at all.

Hairy_Scot, on Sep 4 2010, 07:22 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 5 2010, 01:04 PM, said:

What's wrong with Pass?

Hear Hear!!!
A much neglected bid in some circles.

And yet there are other circles where it is much overused...

[Hairy_Scot]

655321, on Sep 5 2010, 01:37 PM, said:

Don't understand passing at all.

Hairy_Scot, on Sep 4 2010, 07:22 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 5 2010, 01:04 PM, said:

What's wrong with Pass?

Hear Hear!!!
A much neglected bid in some circles.

And yet there are other circles where it is much overused...

That is also true.

On this hand one could make a case for 3♥ but it may be best to wait and see if pard LHO or pard can speak again.

[the hog]

Obvious pass. Don't understand bidding at all unless you like getting poor scores. Lol if you score a 2NT or 3S bid after a NT response. Playing a big C system there is more upside to bidding.

[andy_h]

1NT all day long. I would love to hear partner bid 2NT in which we can transfer to hearts and bid game.

[MarkDean]

I would 1NT. I used to be the designated passer, but really think it is not a good idea on this one.

[rduran1216]

karlson, on Sep 4 2010, 06:52 PM, said:

What's wrong with 1n?

What if partner bids 3S after you bid 1NT, or even 2S

[dake50]

Doesn't everyone see a misfit?? "Do ya feel lucky, punk?"

[jdonn]

Pass is such a ridiculously terrible action that even nice-Josh (I swear he has existed before) would mock any non-beginner who did it.

I won't even mention all the games and slams (yes slams) we could be missing (I'll ignore the grand slams since they aren't that frequent). I'll simply point out that this is not one of those times we can count on the opponents to keep the auction open for us if we have missed our best contract.

[jdonn]

dake50, on Sep 4 2010, 10:51 PM, said:

Doesn't everyone see a misfit?? "Do ya feel lucky, punk?"

Misfit? We could have an 11 card fit. Let's, oh I don't know, not declare the deal a misfit after a single opening bid by one player, hmm?

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Sep 4 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

dake50, on Sep 4 2010, 10:51 PM, said:

Doesn't everyone see a misfit??    "Do ya feel lucky, punk?"

Misfit? We could have an 11 card fit. Let's, oh I don't know, not declare the deal a misfit after a single opening bid by one player, hmm?

The odds of a misfit are high enough that I would hate to use a NON forcing 1NT call with the hand. No problems with a forcing or semiforcing 1NT call though

[rduran1216]

even in 2/1 with your partner likely to rebid spades it is risky.

I think pass is best regardless, but with Standard American I think pass is obvious.

[aguahombre]

rduran1216, on Sep 5 2010, 10:13 AM, said:

even in 2/1 with your partner likely to rebid spades it is risky.

I think pass is best regardless, but with Standard American I think pass is obvious.

Very brave. Not the pass, with which I agree; but the post.

I have more respect for Josh's opinion, though, than he has for ours.

[Phil]

rduran1216, on Sep 5 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

even in 2/1 with your partner likely to rebid spades it is risky.

I think pass is best regardless, but with Standard American I think pass is obvious.

It is also true a meteor may crash through the ceiling of our bridge club as we play.

While the chances of partner bidding two or three spades is more than an act of God, lets think of all of the things that can happen when we respond 1N:

Negatives -

- partner bids any number of spades. We need to pass and we possibly stayed a level or two lower had we not bid. For this to matter, the opponents have to have a non-fit in diamonds.

- partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely.

Positives -

- Partner bids anything but the above. This is a big net gain for us. It could be a huge gain when partner bids hearts.

- Partner bids 2N.

[aguahombre]

Would be interesting..but maybe impractical...to do a "full deal" sim.

Givens: 1S (P) ---1S=11-21, 5+Sp ----1NT=forcing 1R (are contructive raises relevant? ---3H response=7 of them ---throw out hands where 2nd seat should have acted.

The problem would be to objectively decide how the auction would proceed after 1NT and after pass, including 4th hand action and 2nd-hand advances; then score it all up. Many results would be the same no matter what responder chooses on the first round. Per Phil, above --we would have to agree on what 2NT by opener means (if it is artificial with longer spades, it might go into Phil's "negatives" list).

I suspect one side of the bid-or-pass issue would be very surprised --I am willing for it to be me.

[jdonn]

Phil, on Sep 5 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

- partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely.

Why not?

This thread is still so lol. Oh no, we would play 1NT instead of 1♠ in a 5-0 fit, we can't let that happen!

[cherdanno]

jdonn, on Sep 5 2010, 12:30 PM, said:

Phil, on Sep 5 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

- partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely.

Why not?

This thread is still so lol. Oh no, we would play 1NT instead of 1♠ in a 5-0 fit, we can't let that happen!

Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!!