[rduran1216]

Scoring: MP

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Auction has proceeded

p 1S 2H ?

2S or 3H or something else?

[Phil]

I usually double with these hands and then support spades, but I don't expect a majority to agree with this.

Using 2N to show this hand and 3♥ maintains the 'purity' of your negative doubles.

[paulg]

I'm happy enough to double - too good for 2♠, not good enough to show a good raise to 3♠.

At least doubling shows some values.

[gwnn]

3♥ keeping it easy - i have a fit, i show it

[mikeh]

This is not a good hand, so why complicate matters? Bid 3♥, showing a limit raise, which is what I have, barely. Doubling then correcting diamonds to spades is way to subtle for me.

I don't like many adages but support with support is one of the few I do.

[pooltuna]

mikeh, on Aug 12 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

This is not a good hand, so why complicate matters? Bid 3♥, showing a limit raise, which is what I have, barely. Doubling then correcting diamonds to spades is way to subtle for me.

I don't like many adages but support with support is one of the few I do.

Amen

[peachy]

Show a limit raise by 3H. I see no reason to hide the support.

[rduran1216]

I thought I was between 2S and 3H, so I made a negative dbl, with the intention of raising to 3S if my partner bid anything but 2S.

[BudH]

rduran1216, on Aug 12 2010, 01:52 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: MP

♠ xxx ♥ xx ♦ Axx ♣ AJ109x

Auction has proceeded

p 1S 2H ?

2S or 3H or something else?

I prefer if possible to use the negative double on a 3-trump raise and use the cuebid usually with a 4-trump raise.

Unless my partnership opens very light, this hand should force to game. Even at matchpoints.

[kenrexford]

I may be wrong, but I think the "expert" practice here (at least as I learned it and play it) is to have two ways to show support, the cuebid and 2NT. I have heard that the Meckwell uncertainty (meaning, they went back and forth) was whether 2NT showed a 3-piece limit+ and 3♥ a 4-piece limit+, which would be support-oriented, obviously, or whether 2NT showed 3+ limit and 3♥ 3+ GF (strength oriented). I think they ended up with the latter (strength-oriented), which is where my reg partner and I ended up, as well.

With this hand, then, if desiring to show a limit raise, 2NT would be the call.

[mikegill]

If you're going to do that I think it's better to distinguish trump length - other than them bidding 5♥ next I don't see how knowing whether it's a limit raise or a GF raise is really all that relevant immediately. And if you're going to do that it's clear to make 2NT show 4+ since you might need to rightside NT if you have a 5-3 fit and 3N is the right contract.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

depends on your methods.

Assuming a standard agreement set, I would go with 3H.

In my reg. partnership, I would bid 2NT as a transfer to clubs,
followed by a 3S bid.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

I feel so lonely with my 2♠ bid , at least I don't bid 2♠with the trash most people here will do.

[OleBerg]

Fluffy, on Aug 13 2010, 09:52 AM, said:

I feel so lonely with my 2♠ bid , at least I don't bid 2♠with the trash most people here will do.

I'll semi-join you. I think it's close betweem 2♠ and 3♥.

I would bid 3♥, but advice my partner to bid 2♠. (As declarer will be an overbidder and an underplayer.)

Edit: I bid 2♠ with the thrash most people do. And then some. But MP's is MP's.

[Codo]

Fluffy, on Aug 13 2010, 04:52 PM, said:

I feel so lonely with my 2♠ bid , at least I don't bid 2♠with the trash most people here will do.

U R not alone.
As the BC shows, we are not always on the same wave length. But this is heavy 2 ♠ call for me too. 3♥ needs one less heart or one more spade.

[655321]

3♥ limit raise.

I don't completely hate 2♠ at MP, 3 small spades is not great, but 2 Aces including an AJT9x suit, and a doubleton make this a reasonably comfortable limit raise to me. No idea why anyone would force to game though.

[cherdanno]

I don't mind doubling with a borderline limit raise over 1M (2C), when we can sometimes show our values at the 2-level, and sometimes find a better 4-4 fit in the other major. Here, I would really rather show my support. The gains of doubling are almost lost, and WE HAVE A SPADE FIT OVER THEIR LIKELY HEART FIT. That's probably the situation where it is most urgent to shout to partner right away that we have a fit - maybe he can bid 4S over 4H, or we can respect his double of their heart contract.
Of course at the table I can't use all-caps for my support, but fortunately partner will be able to understand 2S or 3H without any shouting.