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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2010-August-10, 02:50

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1♥ (5♣)

Sorry - I got the vulnerability wrong on this one: we were at adverse.

It seems better to start another thread rather than pollute the quite interesting discussion about what to do at game-all.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 02:51

I suppose at adverse double is easier.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-August-10, 03:47

I'd choose 5♥ at this vulnerability. I have no way of trying for a slam.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 03:56

5H wtp? ;)
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Posted 2010-August-10, 06:00

5 ♥, too many clubs for 6 HEart, too many hearts for double a non vul. weak jump.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 06:11

X. Too many losers for 5H and the C doubleton is terrible.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 14:51

shyams, on Aug 10 2010, 09:47 PM, said:

I'd choose 5♥ at this vulnerability. I have no way of trying for a slam.

5♥ is trying for a slam. I expect partner to raise with good hands. I don't bid at the five-level (especially at these colours) over a preempt hoping for a minus. Therefore if partner has a trick more than expectation she should start thinking of raising.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 16:53

I hate not raising with support, sometimes partner has a monster that just needs fit and lettle extra for slam or even more. So 5♥.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 18:20

I have been persuaded that 5♥ was better in the other thread (all vul), but I think I still double at this vul. :)

On the one hand we have more work to do to get 800 (4 down instead of 3 down), on the other hand RHO will have their bid much less often at this vulnerability. So not only are we very likely to take more tricks in defence, but - since RHO won't always have AKJTxxxx of clubs - the chance of partner having wasted club honors (with correspondingly fewer heart/diamond honors) has increased, so 5♥ will go down more often.

I agree that a factor in favor of bidding 5♥ is the possibility of bidding slam, maybe that should be enough to make 5♥ worth while, but I still double.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 20:02

Fluffy, on Aug 11 2010, 05:53 AM, said:

I hate not raising with support, sometimes partner has a monster that just needs fit and lettle extra for slam or even more. So 5♥.

In that case partner will bid again.
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Posted 2010-August-11, 04:34

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5H wtp?


+1.
I think we make very often and sometimes if we don't they do.
To me the choice is between 5♥ and 6♥. Doubling sounds like a joke to me.
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Posted 2010-August-11, 04:41

bluecalm, on Aug 11 2010, 11:34 AM, said:

Passing sounds like a joke to me.

Who suggested that?
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Posted 2010-August-11, 04:45

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Who suggested that?


I meant doubling, sorry.
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