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As one of the younger generation referred to in this post, a few comments:
I have no interest in ever playing bridge in a completely electronic fashion. Do I enjoy BBO? Sure, for the convenience factor. Its a great place to get a game without travel or waiting, and I think its a great place to practice with people. I (personally) don't have much respect for "online tournaments" however because it doesn't feel like real bridge to me. If the ACBL switched to an all online model, I would stop playing bridge.
The idea of driving to a club and then using electronic devices instead of cards similarly repels me. I want to play a card game. If I wanted to play an electronic game, I could play dozens such games from home that are going to be a lot more involving than bridge. I would like to see a lot of stuff involving scoring/dealing simplified via electronics, but the instant we switch from real cards to devices bridge loses its appeal imo.
Looking at poker which has dealt with this more than bridge: My girlfriend's brother is a professional poker player. He makes most of his money playing online instead of in person. However, he FAR prefers in person and only does the online stuff because it is easier to take care of his kid while he does it. Probably 90% of his poker playing is done online but the 10% in person is the part he really enjoys while the online stuff he sees as a grind to make a living.
I personally see the evolution of bridge being the electronic form becoming more and more like F2F rather than F2F becoming more like BBO. 50-100 years from now maybe we will meet in holographic form, deal the cards, and sit around the virtual table similarly to how we do at clubs, but from the convenience of our own home. Until that time though, I can think of no better way to kill the game off than to make it yet another video game. It will not be able to compete in that arena.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 13:22
Vilgan, on Aug 19 2010, 01:49 PM, said:
If the ACBL switched to an all online model, I would stop playing bridge.
The idea of driving to a club and then using electronic devices instead of cards similarly repels me
the instant we switch from real cards to devices bridge loses its appeal imo.
I can think of no better way to kill the game off than to make it yet another video game.
The idea of driving to a club and then using electronic devices instead of cards similarly repels me
the instant we switch from real cards to devices bridge loses its appeal imo.
I can think of no better way to kill the game off than to make it yet another video game.
Agree all around.
For what it's worth I probably also count as the younger generation - I'm 38, and have far more bridge ahead of me than behind me. And I am quite comfortable and competent with computers and electronics. But as a replacement for real cards - no thanks.
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What if you had a club that you could drop into for an hour, or so, 24/7? Electronic screens took the place of cards. Haven't got a 4th? No worries, the 4th player was someone on BBO.
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"Politics: an inadequate substitute for bridge." John Maynard Keynes
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Posted 2010-August-29, 10:50
pdmunro, on Aug 29 2010, 09:41 AM, said:
What if you had a club that you could drop into for an hour, or so, 24/7? Electronic screens took the place of cards. Haven't got a 4th? No worries, the 4th player was someone on BBO.
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billw55, on Aug 19 2010, 04:53 PM, said:
I think we will find that people just plain like playing with cards, and just plain don't like playing everything with ipads. And I think this will continue to be true for the forseeable future. Am I wrong? Only time will tell 
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TimG, on Aug 19 2010, 05:15 PM, said:
I can play 3 speedballs (36 boards) in the time it takes to complete a normal live club game (24-27 boards). And, it even costs less.
Yes, it's cheaper, in fact if you play on BBO it is free. But is it really more enjoyable? I have never evaluated a session of bridge by how many hands per hour we managed to fit in. Although I agree that the time factor in rubber bridge is important, since time really is money there.
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The true future of bridge is when everyone gets a device to bend space and time, so you can think all you want without anyone else noticing it. 
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At some point in time, cyberspace will fuse with the real world. You will be able to play bridge on Second Life, using data gloves and stereo cameras to interact with avatars that may or may not look identical to the people behind them. Or you can play bridge in real life, using e-ink cards that are reprogrammed instead of shuffled and transmit the play to the computer so you don't need a bridgemate. You will hardly notice the difference between the two.
If you want to simulate the smell of your opponents' sweat and perfume, or the accidental kicking under the table, it's just a minor upgrade of you computer.
If you want to simulate the smell of your opponents' sweat and perfume, or the accidental kicking under the table, it's just a minor upgrade of you computer.
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In FTF bridge my enemies (I have quite a few-surprise surprise) always seem to get a free hand at needling me until I tear them up and get huge DPs from directors who like everyone to play nice...
so online is huge, i get to abuse the crap out of these morons with no repercussions
so online is huge, i get to abuse the crap out of these morons with no repercussions
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gerry, on Sep 6 2010, 07:44 PM, said:
... so online is huge, i get to abuse the crap out of these morons with no repercussions
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