[jdonn]

I wasn't sure 5m is a cue here. I know it is if we are a passed hand like P 4♥ 4♠ P ?

[Jlall]

I think if we had 8 clubs or w/e we have to overcall 5C or pass forever. Apparantly I'm wrong because nobody is bidding 5D lol.

[whereagles]

Can backfire, but I'd definitely make some slam try. Cue of diamonds or hearts, depending on the system.

Playing transfer advances it's even funnier:

.....5♣ (shows diamonds or diam cue + spade fit)
5♦ 5♥ (heart cue, surely shows a spade fit now)

and it's up to pard now.

[Fluffy]

I like 5♥ because it shows ♥A otherwise a hand that passed couldn't ever be good enough to bid and pass before, and lets partner judge great. He can't go very wrong on our hand after 5♥.

[hanp]

Last summer in San Remo my partner had KQJ-8th of diamonds and out. He passed over 4H and passed again when I balanced with 5C, thinking that I would take 5D as a cue. Needless to say, we missed the making game. I think both meanings make sense.

On this hand partner has AKxxxx K xx AKxx. The club is onside, it is not clear to me if you will get to 7S after 5H.

[Fluffy]

he can picture us with ♠Qxx ♥Ax ♦A at least, even if he is not sure he can bid 5NT blackwood to find out, grand is over 50%, but here it soudns like one of those grands where you really need 70%+ so its close.

[hanp]

We could have something like Qxxxx - AKJxx xxx? Or would that hand act immediately? Give the pass perhaps it is not possible that we have a slam try with a heart void?

We didn't have agreements about 5NT being blackwood, and I'm not sure it would have helped.

[Fluffy]

like I said before, passing then inviting with heart control must be based on ♥A nothing else makes sense to me, with heart void we would had acted inmediatelly.

[jdonn]

Fluffy, on Feb 17 2010, 05:00 AM, said:

like I said before, passing then inviting with heart control must be based on ♥A nothing else makes sense to me, with heart void we would had acted inmediatelly.

Singleton?

[Fluffy]

what hand for singleton josh? If we couldn't act before it seems like we don't have 5 level safety or anything close, maybe you can picture a hand or 2, but picturing hands with ♥Ax(x) is just much easier and likelly IMO.

If you 3 keep saying the contrary I will start thinking I am just biased b the actual hand again.

[jdonn]

I agree ace is most likely but you said it must be, I'm saying a singleton is possible. Qxxxx x AKxxx xx (if 5♦ might not be a cuebid)?

[Fluffy]

hehe, can't resist

Fluffy, on Feb 17 2010, 09:11 PM, said:

what hand for singleton josh? If we couldn't act before it seems like we don't have 5 level safety or anything close, maybe you can picture a hand or 2, but picturing hands with ♥Ax(x) is just much easier and likelly IMO.

If you 3 keep saying the contrary I will start thinking I am just biased b the actual hand again.

[jdonn]

Neither can I!

Fluffy, on Feb 17 2010, 05:00 AM, said:

like I said before, passing then inviting with heart control must be based on ♥A nothing else makes sense to me, with heart void we would had acted inmediatelly.

The only difference is this part occured before what I said, your comment that you quoted occured after what I said. But I admit I did not try to predict what you would say in the future when I made my comment, you got me on that.