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♠AJx
♥109x
♦KQxx
♣KJx
♠Qx
♥AKQxx
♦Jx
♣AQxx
EDIT: a 4th club appears.
dealer south, vulnerable EW
after a strong 1♣ opening, west overcalls a "take out" 1♥ (accepts all suits but hearts), east escapes to 1♠.
you end up on 6♥, opponents lead ♣10, you win the ♣A and cash ♥A, nothing happens so far, take it from there.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 18:06
Diamond to the King (You will probably lose to the Ace)
Win the return, cross to dummy and run the 10 of Hearts
Win the return, cross to dummy and run the 10 of Hearts
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Posted 2010-February-15, 07:40
I would not like to trust West to hold a singleton heart rather than Jx.
But it doesn't cost to play the Jack of diamonds. If West wins and plays a spade, North wins the Ace and it's already decision time in hearts - I'll play for 2-3.
If East wins the diamond I can win a second diamond, and ruff a small diamond. If East shows out, I'll play West for a singleton heart.
But it doesn't cost to play the Jack of diamonds. If West wins and plays a spade, North wins the Ace and it's already decision time in hearts - I'll play for 2-3.
If East wins the diamond I can win a second diamond, and ruff a small diamond. If East shows out, I'll play West for a singleton heart.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 10:28
Fluffy, on Feb 14 2010, 06:44 PM, said:
♠AJx
♥109x
♦KQxx
♣KJx
♠Qx
♥AKQxx
♦Jx
♣AQx
dealer south, vulnerable EW
after a strong 1♣ opening, west overcalls a "take out" 1♥ (accepts all suits but hearts), east escapes to 1♠.
you end up on 6♥, opponents lead ♣10, you win the ♣A and cash ♥A, nothing happens so far, take it from there.
♥109x
♦KQxx
♣KJx
♠Qx
♥AKQxx
♦Jx
♣AQx
dealer south, vulnerable EW
after a strong 1♣ opening, west overcalls a "take out" 1♥ (accepts all suits but hearts), east escapes to 1♠.
you end up on 6♥, opponents lead ♣10, you win the ♣A and cash ♥A, nothing happens so far, take it from there.
finessing RHO for the ♥J is entirely reasonable as EW are R vs W and given the missing high cards even
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Posted 2010-February-15, 11:24
A prori, x=Jxxx is 5/6 as likely as Jx=xxx. If having a singleton would increase the chance that LHO would bid by more than 20%, it's correct to finesse.
That seems pretty clear.
That seems pretty clear.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-February-15, 12:09
2+5+2+3 = 12
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Posted 2010-February-15, 12:39
cherdanno, on Feb 15 2010, 01:09 PM, said:
2+5+2+3 = 12
Picky, picky, picky.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 13:53
OK guys.
When dummy goes down, you need to decide if oppo is just very crazy or extremely crazy. Some of the percentages could reach vanishing point.
I still like my technical line, but can easily relate to the finesse.
When dummy goes down, you need to decide if oppo is just very crazy or extremely crazy. Some of the percentages could reach vanishing point.
I still like my technical line, but can easily relate to the finesse.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 15:56
I would finesse. Obviously it would help to know more about their defence to the strong club and how they use it as well as their aggressiveness in general, but in the end I doubt that I would play for the drop regardless. Some people might bid vulnerable with a 4432 shape and few values but surely they would often pass. At different vulnerability it would be harder.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 17:37
Most obvious finesse since the fall of the Berlin wall.
Having said that it will be no surprise to me when west turns up with ♥Jx, because why should bridge on the forums be any different than that in real life?
Having said that it will be no surprise to me when west turns up with ♥Jx, because why should bridge on the forums be any different than that in real life?
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Posted 2010-February-15, 18:15
you are missing the main point, you have no safe way to reach dummy
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Posted 2010-February-15, 18:23
Fluffy, on Feb 15 2010, 07:15 PM, said:
you are missing the main point, you have no safe way to reach dummy
I think you are missing cherdanno's point...
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 21:54
MFA, on Feb 15 2010, 06:37 PM, said:
Most obvious finesse since the fall of the Berlin wall.
Having said that it will be no surprise to me when west turns up with ♥Jx, because why should bridge on the forums be any different than that in real life?
Having said that it will be no surprise to me when west turns up with ♥Jx, because why should bridge on the forums be any different than that in real life?
you mean something like a hand I played
Hmmm I couldn't get to trick 4 but in fact I returned to my hand and finessed the ♥Q
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Posted 2010-February-16, 01:26
Curious, I've rarely seen so much discussion on how to play a hand with 12 cards.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-16, 02:58
Now that we've got the whole of South's hand, can we have the full auction too? When LHO doesn't lead a spade, it probably means that he has the king, but it does depend on what we showed and what bids East had a chance to double.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-February-16, 04:12
east just bid 1♠, I know nothing else
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