[Fluffy]

I hate so much that these kind of boards end up often on 22-26 IMP swings with little remorse, before richard starts upsetting, I don't suggest they should be avoided

Today's hand, where do you land?

Scoring: IMP

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[jukmoi]

Probably something like 1♣ - 1♠ ; 1NT - 2D (1) ; 2♥ (2) - 6NT (3). (1) two-way checkback (2) 4c ♥, no 3c ♠ support. (3) guessing the final contract. With spades 3-3 and diamond finesse working this should be pretty cold.

[Codo]

1 ♣ 1♠
1 NT 2 ♦ (NMF)
3♥ 3♠(max and 4 hearts), 5 spades
3 NT (diamond stopper, normally 2 spades)

Responder now knows: Partner has 13 HCPS, 1-2 spades, 4Hearts, a diamond stopper and 4+ clubs.

32 HCP, surely at most 5-2 fit in spade and maybe a 5-2 in club... Which tricks will I make? Maybe QJ, Kxxx,Kxx, Axxx? This is on a heart finesse or diamonds 3-3. Maybe Qx,xxxx,Kx,AQJxx?
I guess, I would bid 4 club, which in my system asks about KCS for club and how much I like my hand for a club slam. Partner would not like his hand (just 4 clubs), so we would settle for 4 NT.

[awm]

I'd probably bid:

1♣ - 1♠
1NT - 4NT
Pass

Neither of these hands is especially good for the high card point total, with no spots above an eight and no nine-card fit. I don't really see forcing slam on the east cards opposite 12-14 balanced, and I wouldn't accept a slam invite on the west cards.

[655321]

1♣ 1♠
1NT 2♦*
2♥ 2♠
2NT 4NT
6NT

The hand full of Aces and Kings is worth an invite, and Opener is comfortably in the upper range. 6NT isn't fantastic, but it seems a playable spot.

[gnasher]

6NT is good enough to be in: spades 3-3, or the diamond finesse + either diamonds 3-3 or a squeeze. That feels like about 55%.

However, it's a bit lucky that ♥J is worth so much. Slam would be much worse if East had AKxxx Ax Axxx KJ

Opposite an 11-14 1NT rebid, I'd check for spade and diamond fits, then bid 4NT. The aces compensate for the lack of intermediates, but they don't justify driving slam.

The West hand also has poor spots, as well as a distinct shortage of honours in partner's suits. It's close, but with the West hand I'd probably pass 4NT.

[Edit: revised my estimate of how good it is.]

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2010-February-11, 07:44

[glen]

This is board 18 in:

http://www.jcbl.or.jp/game/nec/necfest10/n.../scores_q10.pdf

On board 22, the +12s were fun, and I wonder without remorse or not?

[cherdanno]

awm, on Feb 11 2010, 08:30 AM, said:

I'd probably bid:

1♣ - 1♠
1NT - 4NT
Pass

I don't understand why you are not trying to find a 5-3 spade fit or 4-4 diamond fit.

[PhantomSac]

gnasher, on Feb 11 2010, 08:42 AM, said:

6NT is good enough to be in: spades 3-3, or the diamond finesse + either diamonds 3-3 or a squeeze. That feels like about 55%.

The diamond 8 means you can pick up QT/Q9 doubleton onside. Of course this means you will lose to QT9 so it's only 1 extra combo, but in practice maybe you will pick up QT9 also because they will likely lead from xxx diamonds since its the unbid suit, and maybe if they lead 2nd high you can figure it out, or maybe you will get a pretty good count and figure it out (like if RHO has 2 spades and 3 hearts and LHO doesn't show out in clubs on the AK), or maybe if they don't lead a diamond RHO will forget to falsecard the queen on the 2nd round etc.

The diamond 8 also means you might get a helpful ten of diamonds lead! Look at 655321's auction, The DT is a very likely lead from T976, or T9765 and possible from T975. Of course maybe they can figure out to lead low, but a few people would.

[pooltuna]

Codo, on Feb 11 2010, 08:26 AM, said:

1 ♣ 1♠
1 NT 2 ♦ (NMF)
3♥  3♠(max  and 4 hearts), 5 spades
3 NT            (diamond stopper, normally 2 spades)

Responder now knows: Partner has 13 HCPS, 1-2 spades, 4Hearts, a diamond stopper and 4+ clubs.

32 HCP, surely at most 5-2 fit in spade and maybe a 5-2 in club... Which tricks will I make? Maybe QJ, Kxxx,Kxx, Axxx? This is on a heart finesse or diamonds 3-3.  Maybe Qx,xxxx,Kx,AQJxx?
I guess, I  would bid 4 club, which in my system asks about KCS for club and how much I like my hand for a club slam. Partner would not like his hand (just 4 clubs), so we would settle for 4 NT.

DIRECTOR! BID OUT OF TURN!!

EDIT: oops I was facing south

[Fluffy]

we bid

1♣-1♥(♠)
1NT-2♦
2♥-2NT (I think 2♠ would set spades as trumps)
3♦-4NT pass

after I had shown 2434 with no ♠Q I think partner might even sing off in 3NT with the 19 hand, but he went for the invite cos I can have 14 (♦Q for example)

I though partner had only 4 spades, and hence probably 4 diamonds as well, with all the suits being 4th in one or another hand I took a look at my 10s and 9s, seeing zero I thought it was an obvious pass.

[Fluffy]

glen, on Feb 11 2010, 01:48 PM, said:

This is board 18 in:

http://www.jcbl.or.jp/game/nec/necfest10/n.../scores_q10.pdf

On board 22, the +12s were fun, and I wonder without remorse or not?

hehe thx glen, this is the full match where fantoni-nunes slaughtered us, not only did we miss this slam, but they took 2* 1370 completelly incredible (we are team 7, me and dad always sit EW)

I tried to surf the web but I cannot understand anything in japanese, is there a link for all the mathches in english?



The +12s on board 22... one of them was Bochi Madala, the opposition led trump and another trump. I guess that just having to look at them at the table is already giving them many points.

one of the -50s was of course our teammates O_o

[jdonn]

1♣ 1♠
1NT 2♦
2♥ 3♦
3NT 4NT
? Opener would do whatever you think he would do. Probably accept. I probably bought myself a certain club lead, WD me. Maybe responder should just 2NT over 2♥. But then again next time maybe opener's jack is in clubs instead of diamonds.

[Cyberyeti]

I play a 12-14 1N

1N-2♥
2♠-3♦
3N-4N
P

I'm happy being in this one or not being in it. It seems to be on spades 3-3 or D 3-3 with the Q onside plus some other wrinkles so is just better than 50-50.

[nigel_k]

It seems like a pretty good slam. Without a club lead and continuation there will usually be a squeeze whenever ♦Q is onside though you may have to read the position. Plus 3-3 spades and some extra diamond chances as Justin said.

In the bidding I think East is a bit good for a quantitative 4NT unless you open routinely with balanced 11s in which case West has an accept. So I would probably blast slam with East at some point.

[Siegmund]

I am getting to 6NT on this one after checkback. I prefer the Polish / Kantar type checkback where opener also shows min/max for his NT rebid (and I open enough 11s West clearly has a max) along with his major length. So for me, 13-14 without a major fit opposite my 19 sure looks like a raise to 6.

[kenrexford]

1♣-1♠
1NT(11 to a bad 14)-2♦(GF)
2♥(not three spades)-4NT
5NT(inviting options)-6NT

[glen]

The vugraph and this particular deal is written up by Barry Rigal in the latest NEC Cup Bridge festival bulletin, starting on page 13 of this online pdf:

http://www.jcbl.or.jp/game/nec/necfest10/n...letins/blt4.pdf

Barry Rigal said:

The two tables took spectacularly different views as to how to advance facing a weak notrump with the East cards. ... 6NT needs either spades 3-3 or, if that fails, a diamond finesse and then either a diamond break or a simple or double squeeze. Best estimate per the Editors is that slam is no worse than 50%.

Btw the festival's web site is: http://www.jcbl.or.j...ec/necfest.html

[jukmoi]

jukmoi, on Feb 11 2010, 08:16 AM, said:

Probably something like 1♣ - 1♠ ; 1NT - 2D (1) ; 2♥ (2) - 6NT (3). (1) two-way checkback (2) 4c ♥, no 3c ♠ support. (3) guessing the final contract. With spades 3-3 and diamond finesse working this should be pretty cold.

I now agree that direct 6NT after 2♥ is pretty stupid. At least I have good company in Iliev.

[Mbodell]

I'm bidding:
1♦(precisionish)-1♠
1nt(13-15) - 2♦ (game force nmf)
2♥ - 2♠
2nt or 3♣ - 4nt(quant) or 6nt
pass

I'm not sure if West tries 3♣ or 2nt over 2♠. Regardless East needs to decide if 32-34 with a 5 card suit is enough to blast 6 or if they should invite with quantitative 4nt. If they decide to invite West has an obvious decline as this is pretty darn minimal for a 13-15 balanced with a known non-fit.

I think I'd probably be in 4nt, but wouldn't really fault a blast to 6.