[gnasher]

jdonn, on Feb 11 2010, 12:33 AM, said:

Siegmund and gnasher (for different reasons), how does partner bid AJx xxx AQJx AKx?

I suppose he'd bid 3♥-4♣-4♦, so I was wrong to assume that that promises five diamonds. In fact, some hands with five diamonds would have bid 3♦ instead of 3♥, so 3343 is quite a likely hand-type for 3♥ then 4♦.

Don't ask me what he'd do with AJx xxxx AQJ AKx.

An alternative arrangement would be that 3♥-4♣-4♠ shows 33(43), and the hands with four spades all bid 3♥-4♣-4♥. That might be better, but it doesn't seem particularly natural.

[Tomi2]

why didnt I resond 1 spade in my first round of bidding? we had this in another trhead. parter will raise this with a decent hand then I will raise to game, and with stronger ones we can explore the right game one level lower

[quiddity]

Tomi2, on Feb 11 2010, 08:23 AM, said:

why didnt I resond 1 spade in my first round of bidding? we had this in another trhead. parter will raise this with a decent hand then I will raise to game, and with stronger ones we can explore the right game one level lower

Responding 1S shows 0-7 support pts for us. Partner's raise would be invitational in that context so she would tend to pass with many hands that might make game opposite this one.

[kfay]

karlson, on Feb 10 2010, 05:51 PM, said:

b. I don't think that this is some kind of supermax for 2♠, I'm not really dying to cooperate with partner's slam tries, especially in spades.

Really?

Cause I definitely think the opposite. I will fully cooperate, and happily.

Anyway I 4♣ also. 100% will bid 4♥ over 4♦ or 5♦ over 4♠ or 5♥ over 4♥.

[PhantomSac]

I think 4H shows 4144, maybe I'm crazy. With 5 spades I would rebid spades.

[Siegmund]

Creeping back in since I was called out....

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Siegmund and gnasher (for different reasons), how does partner bid AJx xxx AQJx AKx?

If 3H promises support, he sniffles quietly, and then says a prayer that partner really has 5 spades before closing the auction at 4♠, probably. Partner does in fact have 5 something like 80% of the time here I think.

With the same hand after 1♥-X-p-1♠-p, I would feel decidedly subminimum for 2♥ and worry about partner's chances in 2NT. I might well think a simple raise to 2♠ was enough.

Anyway, OP's auction isn't one I've ever discussed with anyone - more a meta-agreement thing that I'd think it implied support since the strong hand-types normally would rebid 2N or 3m. I don't know which is a more useful meaning for the cuebid, the strong hand with spades or the one with neither spades nor a heart stopper. The 3343 19-count without a heart stopper is a bear to bid, not denying that.

[MFA]

PhantomSac, on Feb 11 2010, 11:48 PM, said:

I think 4H shows 4144, maybe I'm crazy. With 5 spades I would rebid spades.

Then how would you bid 4333 with three small hearts and adequate strength?

[PhantomSac]

MFA, on Feb 11 2010, 08:13 PM, said:

PhantomSac, on Feb 11 2010, 11:48 PM, said:

I think 4H shows 4144, maybe I'm crazy. With 5 spades I would rebid spades.

Then how would you bid 4333 with three small hearts and adequate strength?

I'd bid 3S but I grant your point, maybe 4H should show that.

[jukmoi]

I think that after responders jump new minors by doubler are natural and forcing(and 4♣♦ cuebids agreeing spades). Therefore 3♥ is needed mainly as general GF with no good natural altervative with something like ♠ AKx ♥ Qxx ♦ AQJx ♣ Kxx. Subsequent bidding is natural since five of a minor is still very much in the picture. If my partner would bid 4♥ after 3♥ I would think he has a great hand for spades with short hearts.

[quiddity]

Overcaller's hand was AKx Qx AQ8xx Axx. Possibly X followed by 3D would have been better than X followed by cuebid. Anyway, I didn't like my hand much so I made the one bid that pretty much everyone agrees is wrong: 3S. We got to spades making 4 instead of diamonds making 6.

[karlson]

Agree that partner should bid 3♦. You'll splinter and 6 will be obvious.