[Fluffy]

♠AJ
♥AJxxx
♦Q98x
♣Jx


you are vulnerable in 4th position

(pass)-2♥-(4♠)-5♥
(5♠)-X-(XX)


You have the ftable eeling that partner doubled because pass would be forcing, after reminding you to pass for the next 5 boards in competition what do you do?

[pooltuna]

Fluffy, on Feb 10 2010, 09:29 AM, said:

♠AJ
♥AJxxx
♦Q98x
♣Jx


you are vulnerable in 4th position

(pass)-2♥-(4♠)-5♥
(5♠)-X-(XX)


You have the ftable eeling that partner doubled because pass would be forcing, after reminding you to pass for the next 5 boards in competition what do you do?

abstain until board colors are clearly defined and 2♥ systemic meaning is given

[Fluffy]

weak 2 in hearts sorry, this is IMPs, NS (the gusy with the heart fit) are vulnerable, the spade guys are not (althou they are in a redoubled contract maybe worth a thousand)

[gnasher]

Maybe this would be a good time to review your forcing pass agreements?

I pass and lead a trump. If partner has x KQxxxx xxx xxx we're going for 1100 in 6♥. Anyway, RHO can't really be certain that he's making.

[jjbrr]

Perhaps the antidote lies with a partner who isn't crazy. I pass and try a ♦ lead.

[pooltuna]

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 10:35 AM, said:

Maybe this would be a good time to review your forcing pass agreements?

I pass and lead a trump. If partner has x KQxxxx xxx xxx we're going for 1100 in 6♥. Anyway, RHO can't really be certain that he's making.

I assumed this was IMPs and you have an Auto pass at these colors with your example hand and X of 5♠ is totally idiotic, maybe anyway even if you hold the right hand for an IMPs V vs NV "weak" 2

[cherdanno]

I assume pass was non-forcing and double is showing desired to bid on with extreme shape. I think I bid 6♥.
(If I really think partner thinks pass was forcing then I pass.)

[jdonn]

How could pass be forcing? I pass and hope they make just to teach partner pass shouldn't be forcing.

[gnasher]

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 04:48 PM, said:

I assumed this was IMPs and you have an Auto pass at these colors with your example hand and X of 5♠ is totally idiotic, maybe anyway even if you hold the right hand for an IMPs V vs NV "weak" 2

Did you read the question? In Fluffy's methods, a pass of 5♠ is forcing. For partner to pass suggests competing to 6♥. That would be an odd thing to do with the example hand I gave.

[billw55]

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 01:16 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 04:48 PM, said:

I assumed this was IMPs and you have an Auto pass at these colors with your example hand and X of 5♠ is totally idiotic, maybe anyway even if you hold the right hand for an IMPs V vs NV "weak" 2

Did you read the question? In Fluffy's methods, a pass of 5♥ is forcing. For partner to pass suggests competing to 6♥. That would be an odd thing to do with the example hand I gave.

Also odd to open 2♥ vul with that hand

[gnasher]

My point was that for us to have no chance of beating 5♠xx, partner would have to have a defenceless hand like the one I posted. If he has a defensive card in a minor, we probably don't want to pull anyway.

[billw55]

Ah, I see.

What I don't see is any reason why pass over 5♠ would be forcing.

[hanp]

It's not forcing in his methods, his table feeling tells him partner thinks it is forcing. Sounds pretty sketchy to me.

[gnasher]

OK, Fluffy thinks that his partner thinks pass is forcing. That doesn't affect the set of hands on which his partner would double.

Fluffy, did you really mean that your reason for believing that partner thinks this a forcing-pass auction is "table feel"? If so, that can only have come from partner, so you have to treat this feeling as unauthorised information. The unauthorised information suggests bidding over passing, so you're obliged to pass.

[billw55]

hm .. well I am mystified what partner is up to. Luckily I can pass and let him take the final action.

[pooltuna]

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 01:16 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 04:48 PM, said:

I assumed this was IMPs and you have an Auto pass at these colors with your example hand and X of 5♠ is totally idiotic, maybe anyway even if you hold the right hand for an IMPs V vs NV "weak" 2

Did you read the question? In Fluffy's methods, a pass of 5♠ is forcing. For partner to pass suggests competing to 6♥. That would be an odd thing to do with the example hand I gave.

You misunderstand I meant your example hand is an auto pass rather than a 2♥ preempt V vs NV assuming IMPS.

[gnasher]

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 01:16 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 04:48 PM, said:

I assumed this was IMPs and you have an Auto pass at these colors with your example hand and X of 5♠ is totally idiotic, maybe anyway even if you hold the right hand for an IMPs V vs NV "weak" 2

Did you read the question? In Fluffy's methods, a pass of 5♠ is forcing. For partner to pass suggests competing to 6♥. That would be an odd thing to do with the example hand I gave.

You misunderstand I meant your example hand is an auto pass rather than a 2♥ preempt V vs NV assuming IMPS.

So when you wrote "X of 5♠ is totally idiotic" you meant "this isn't a 2♥ opening"?

[billw55]

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 03:06 PM, said:

So when you wrote "X of 5♠ is totally idiotic" you meant "this isn't a 2♥ opening"?

obv lol

You need to learn to speak tuna

But in fairness he did say this bit: "you have an Auto pass at these colors with your example hand" you even quoted it

[pooltuna]

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 03:06 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

gnasher, on Feb 10 2010, 01:16 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Feb 10 2010, 04:48 PM, said:

I assumed this was IMPs and you have an Auto pass at these colors with your example hand and X of 5♠ is totally idiotic, maybe anyway even if you hold the right hand for an IMPs V vs NV "weak" 2

Did you read the question? In Fluffy's methods, a pass of 5♠ is forcing. For partner to pass suggests competing to 6♥. That would be an odd thing to do with the example hand I gave.

You misunderstand I meant your example hand is an auto pass rather than a 2♥ preempt V vs NV assuming IMPS.

So when you wrote "X of 5♠ is totally idiotic" you meant "this isn't a 2♥ opening"?

well it is IMO only but yes and if you think it is a 2♥ hand then it is idiotic to play forcing pass in this situation.

[MFA]

Pass of course. Must pass with UI. Very strange to see this a forcing pass situation. It was a 2♥ opening, not a 2♣ opening, right?

With normal NF passes, I don't think double from opener here is anything fancy like lightner. Just some good defense to go with our hoped-for values for a vul 5♥ bid.