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Posted 2009-September-02, 23:40
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
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Posted 2009-September-03, 00:02
jillybean, on Sep 3 2009, 12:40 AM, said:
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Posted 2009-September-03, 01:33
My love of 4m pre-empts persuades me to bid 4♣.
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Posted 2009-September-03, 01:46
4♣ with only three major suit cards I want to make it as difficult as possible for the opponents to get to a potential major suit contract.
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I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2009-September-03, 03:21
4 ♣ - eight card suit, 4. level. Sometimes bridge is easy....
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Posted 2009-September-03, 06:36
This actually looks like a 4♣ bid... unlike some of the others I've seen... 
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Posted 2009-September-03, 10:36
4♣. My new favourite preempt.
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Posted 2009-September-03, 17:30
4♣ they aint in 4 major yet and 5 ♣ is for that reason too much maybe i miss 3nt my way so be it
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Posted 2009-September-04, 10:05
<Sarcasm on>
Having overcalled 2♣ in the other thread on:
I don't see how I can possibly bid anything other than 2♣ now that the heart King is actually guarded AND I also have two more trumps!!! This is a MUCH better overcall!!!
</sarcasm off>
3♣ with the hand above (from the other thread).
5♣ with this hand. 4♣ is for wimps. After all, it's only one zero and the likelihood of them having game or slam in a major is simply too high.
(Ok, so maybe the sarcasm wasn't totally off)
Having overcalled 2♣ in the other thread on:
I don't see how I can possibly bid anything other than 2♣ now that the heart King is actually guarded AND I also have two more trumps!!! This is a MUCH better overcall!!!
</sarcasm off>
3♣ with the hand above (from the other thread).
5♣ with this hand. 4♣ is for wimps. After all, it's only one zero and the likelihood of them having game or slam in a major is simply too high.
(Ok, so maybe the sarcasm wasn't totally off)
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2009-September-04, 10:24
4♣ is normal, but I don't mind 5♣.
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Posted 2009-September-04, 10:51
[quote name='bid_em_up' date='Sep 4 2009, 09:05 AM']<Sarcasm on>
Having overcalled 2[cl] in the other thread on:
was my partner. Suggesting, albeit sarcastically, that there is any correlation between the two is not helpful. We obviously do not think alike.
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Let me rephrase it in a less frivolous manner then.
If you and your partner do not agree on what kind of hands constitute an overcall and which hands are a preempt, then you are unlikely to ever have any sort of compatible partnership. You will continually be frustrated by the differences of opinion since you will never have any idea of what kind of random hand is being bid on from the other side of the table.
In the other thread, it was not the 3♣ call that created the problem, it was the 2♣ overcall. If your partner thinks that he can hold that hand one time, and then the partnership agrees to treat this hand as a preempt, the two of you will never be on the same page. This hand, while 4♣ or 5♣ is debatable, is much closer to a simple overcall than the other hand was.
And that is the point I was trying to make. Take it for what its worth. That and a dollar might buy you a soda.
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Let me rephrase it in a less frivolous manner then.
If you and your partner do not agree on what kind of hands constitute an overcall and which hands are a preempt, then you are unlikely to ever have any sort of compatible partnership. You will continually be frustated by the differences of opinion since you will never have any idea of what kind of random hand is being bid on from the other side of the table.
In the other thread, it was not the 3♣ call that created the problem, it was the 2♣ overcall. If your partner thinks that he can hold that hand one time, and then the partnership agrees to treat this hand as a preempt, the two of you will never be on the same page. This hand, while 4♣ or 5♣ is debatable, is much closer to a simple overcall than the other hand was.
And that is the point I was trying to make. Take it for what its worth. That and a dollar might buy you a soda.
Ok, I dont have a serious/regular partnership to develop agreements at this level. Youre right, I am continually frustrated and spinning my wheels trying to make sense of these sequences that end badly.
Oh well, more time to work on my play
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Having overcalled 2[cl] in the other thread on:
| ♠ | 1097 |
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| ♥ | J82 |
| ♦ | K |
| ♣ | AK9432 |
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
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Posted 2009-September-04, 10:53
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“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
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Posted 2009-September-04, 11:12
Actually, JB, correlating your partner's 2C overcall on the earlier string with this question is helpful. If you approve of pard's first 2C overcall, I believe you had better bid 5C, not 4(and certainly not 2C) with this one. Most did not approve of 2C with the previous, and that makes their choice of 4C reasonable here.. It is important that you and your pard agree on the values for various calls, since they affect what happens when those calls are not chosen.
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Posted 2009-September-04, 12:42
jillybean, on Sep 4 2009, 11:51 AM, said:
Suggesting, albeit sarcastically, that there is any correlation between the two is not helpful. We obviously do not think alike.
Let me rephrase it in a less frivolous manner then.
If you and your partner do not agree on what kind of hands constitute an overcall and which hands are a preempt, then you are unlikely to ever have any sort of compatible partnership. You will continually be frustrated by the differences of opinion since you will never have any idea of what kind of random hand is being bid on from the other side of the table.
In the other thread, it was not the 3♣ call that created the problem, it was the 2♣ overcall. If your partner thinks that he can hold that hand one time, and then the partnership agrees to treat this hand as a preempt, the two of you will never be on the same page. This hand, while 4♣ or 5♣ is debatable, is much closer to a simple overcall than the other hand was.
And that is the point I was trying to make. Take it for what its worth. That and a dollar might buy you a soda.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2009-September-04, 13:06
5♣, I'm afraid jilly will make fun of me if I don't bid high enough
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-September-04, 13:39
bid_em_up, on Sep 4 2009, 11:42 AM, said:
jillybean, on Sep 4 2009, 11:51 AM, said:
Suggesting, albeit sarcastically, that there is any correlation between the two is not helpful. We obviously do not think alike.
Let me rephrase it in a less frivolous manner then.
If you and your partner do not agree on what kind of hands constitute an overcall and which hands are a preempt, then you are unlikely to ever have any sort of compatible partnership. You will continually be frustated by the differences of opinion since you will never have any idea of what kind of random hand is being bid on from the other side of the table.
In the other thread, it was not the 3♣ call that created the problem, it was the 2♣ overcall. If your partner thinks that he can hold that hand one time, and then the partnership agrees to treat this hand as a preempt, the two of you will never be on the same page. This hand, while 4♣ or 5♣ is debatable, is much closer to a simple overcall than the other hand was.
And that is the point I was trying to make. Take it for what its worth. That and a dollar might buy you a soda.
Ok, I dont have a serious/regular partnership to develop agreements at this level. Youre right, I am continually frustrated and spinning my wheels trying to make sense of these sequences that end badly.
Oh well, more time to work on my play
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
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Posted 2009-September-07, 20:07
4♣ for me..as this looks like a preempt when I have 8 of them and I am actually allowed to have some playing strength when I preempt high.
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