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Posted 2009-August-20, 22:58
Does it matter what you lead?
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
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Posted 2009-August-20, 23:30
Often.
Here I would just lead partner's suit - even if clubs could be short. If I had an entry I would give more consideration to leading my own five-card suit.
Here I would just lead partner's suit - even if clubs could be short. If I had an entry I would give more consideration to leading my own five-card suit.
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Posted 2009-August-21, 09:08
I lead a small ♣
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Posted 2009-August-21, 09:25
♣, we even have an honor.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-August-21, 10:35
Cascade, on Aug 20 2009, 10:30 PM, said:
Often.
right.I led a ♥ , opps made 3N+2, bottom board for us. Yes, I should lead a ♣ I dont have entires for my ♥'s.
Shouldn't declarer make +2 on any lead here?
Scoring: IMP
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
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Posted 2009-August-21, 10:53
*Can* make 11 tricks is not the same as *should* make 11 tricks. Think about what declarer has to do in order to accomplish this on a club lead, and what this risks ...
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Posted 2009-August-21, 11:13
On a club lead, declarer will just play safely by setting up 2 heart tricks, and make 3N=.
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Posted 2009-August-25, 17:10
On a club lead declarer doesn't have time to get diamond tricks as well as heart tricks. One ace will knock out the 2nd stopper, and the second we'll be cashing five tricks. Without the club lead he can knock out both and we won't have set up our club suit yet.
Although, I think most of the time when 1NT is overcalled over partner's minor opening, the opponents has an actual suit, and attacking it will either hurt the defence or else lose tempo if it were solid. This is kind of similar, he was just too strong to just overcall 1NT. I think if you have an ok alternative to leading the opened minor, you should take it (not that you really had one here).
Although, I think most of the time when 1NT is overcalled over partner's minor opening, the opponents has an actual suit, and attacking it will either hurt the defence or else lose tempo if it were solid. This is kind of similar, he was just too strong to just overcall 1NT. I think if you have an ok alternative to leading the opened minor, you should take it (not that you really had one here).
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Posted 2009-August-25, 17:42
I think I play on diamonds at any form of scoring.
At IMPs I might be able to make by playing on diamonds when spades don't behave.
At MPs diamonds might set up more tricks although there is some risk but also see the reasoning for the line above for IMPs.
At IMPs I might be able to make by playing on diamonds when spades don't behave.
At MPs diamonds might set up more tricks although there is some risk but also see the reasoning for the line above for IMPs.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2009-August-25, 23:20
Cascade, on Aug 25 2009, 06:42 PM, said:
I think I play on diamonds at any form of scoring.
lol
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Posted 2009-August-26, 00:02
hmmm i may have miscounted my tricks.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-August-26, 00:28
Maybe you are supposed to go for 11 tricks at MP. What % of the field is getting to spades?
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Posted 2009-August-26, 05:37
At MPs I think the opps _should_ (not necessarily will) play for 11 tricks given on a club lead there are 11 tricks in spades.
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Posted 2009-August-26, 08:43
Stephen Tu, on Aug 26 2009, 01:28 AM, said:
Maybe you are supposed to go for 11 tricks at MP. What % of the field is getting to spades?
In spite of the above LOL, this was my thought too, but playing on diamonds on diamonds is so all or nothing. I'm not sure I want to throw away my 35% board for a zero trying for 90%.
It does depend on the number of pairs in 4♠ and that's anyone's guess.
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Posted 2009-August-26, 12:38
Phil, on Aug 26 2009, 09:43 AM, said:
Stephen Tu, on Aug 26 2009, 01:28 AM, said:
Maybe you are supposed to go for 11 tricks at MP. What % of the field is getting to spades?
In spite of the above LOL, this was my thought too, but playing on diamonds on diamonds is so all or nothing. I'm not sure I want to throw away my 35% board for a zero trying for 90%.
It does depend on the number of pairs in 4♠ and that's anyone's guess.
Where did my lol imply that playing for 11 tricks at MP was bad? As far as I know "any form of scoring" includes imps.
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Posted 2009-August-26, 13:13
Jlall, on Aug 26 2009, 01:38 PM, said:
Phil, on Aug 26 2009, 09:43 AM, said:
Stephen Tu, on Aug 26 2009, 01:28 AM, said:
Maybe you are supposed to go for 11 tricks at MP. What % of the field is getting to spades?
In spite of the above LOL, this was my thought too, but playing on diamonds on diamonds is so all or nothing. I'm not sure I want to throw away my 35% board for a zero trying for 90%.
It does depend on the number of pairs in 4♠ and that's anyone's guess.
Where did my lol imply that playing for 11 tricks at MP was bad? As far as I know "any form of scoring" includes imps.
Sorry, thought you were referring to trying for 11 tricks at MPs.
Simply misread.
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Posted 2009-August-26, 13:29
Phil, on Aug 27 2009, 07:13 AM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 26 2009, 01:38 PM, said:
Phil, on Aug 26 2009, 09:43 AM, said:
Stephen Tu, on Aug 26 2009, 01:28 AM, said:
Maybe you are supposed to go for 11 tricks at MP. What % of the field is getting to spades?
In spite of the above LOL, this was my thought too, but playing on diamonds on diamonds is so all or nothing. I'm not sure I want to throw away my 35% board for a zero trying for 90%.
It does depend on the number of pairs in 4♠ and that's anyone's guess.
Where did my lol imply that playing for 11 tricks at MP was bad? As far as I know "any form of scoring" includes imps.
Sorry, thought you were referring to trying for 11 tricks at MPs.
Simply misread.
At least I got that one right. LOL
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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