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Avoiding the 3N misfit out of the frypan..
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Posted 2009-September-07, 09:04
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Posted 2009-September-07, 09:17
2♠ 4sf or 2NT i think both are ok
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Posted 2009-September-07, 09:25
2NT natural and invitational. It sucks with no supporting honours in any of partner's suits but we have a decent 11 count. Who knows, maybe partner will be able to show 5-5 in the minors or he may bid 3♥ next showing 1354 which will make me happier.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 09:40
If you bid 2♠ your partner bids 3♦.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 10:20
No one for 2h?
If you play WJS this is Non forcing but constructive, partner will raise with a decent-ish hand and 3 hearts. Realistically, you dont want partner raising to 3N on a 14 count with no real fit (worse, possibly a postive misfit), and communications could be a real problem. 2H is a slight underbid/distortion, but normally shows 7-10 ish assuming that you play WJS. It will also fetch you a raise on Hx normally in a decent hand, which would be quids in on this hand.
If you dont play WJS, so that 2h is totally non constructive, you have a choice of evils. 2N is a slight overbid with so little fit for partners hand, but pass is a definate underbid. I have no feeling for whether passing 2c or 2N will be a winner in the long run. If i had some better spade pips i would probably bid 2N, as it is pass would tempt me in a MP tournament. However at imps just close your eyes and bid 2N.
If you play WJS this is Non forcing but constructive, partner will raise with a decent-ish hand and 3 hearts. Realistically, you dont want partner raising to 3N on a 14 count with no real fit (worse, possibly a postive misfit), and communications could be a real problem. 2H is a slight underbid/distortion, but normally shows 7-10 ish assuming that you play WJS. It will also fetch you a raise on Hx normally in a decent hand, which would be quids in on this hand.
If you dont play WJS, so that 2h is totally non constructive, you have a choice of evils. 2N is a slight overbid with so little fit for partners hand, but pass is a definate underbid. I have no feeling for whether passing 2c or 2N will be a winner in the long run. If i had some better spade pips i would probably bid 2N, as it is pass would tempt me in a MP tournament. However at imps just close your eyes and bid 2N.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 10:22
2N.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 10:42
andy_h, on Sep 7 2009, 10:25 AM, said:
2NT natural and invitational. It sucks with no supporting honours in any of partner's suits but we have a decent 11 count. Who knows, maybe partner will be able to show 5-5 in the minors or he may bid 3♥ next showing 1354 which will make me happier.
yep. 2S 4sf is forcing to game in my world, 2H is an underbid, 3C is misdirected, and this leaves the yucky 2NT as the least bad bid.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 10:54
2N. Lets involve partner for a change.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 11:04
cherdanno, on Sep 7 2009, 11:22 AM, said:
2N.
yes probably the best choice with 3♣ being second. The problem with 2♠ is that IMO it is GF as partner cannot have ♠ [well 4 anyway] and should be reserved for a slam precursor as well.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 11:11
I know I'm spoiled by playing precision, but I'd take one of the lower roads on this one. At MP's 2♥ rather than pass, 2N is reasonable but seems marginal to me.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 11:24
Rob F, on Sep 7 2009, 12:11 PM, said:
I know I'm spoiled by playing precision, but I'd take one of the lower roads on this one. At MP's 2♥ rather than pass, 2N is reasonable but seems marginal to me.
yep...If partner were limited in a Precision context, 2H would look a lot better to me, too. I think a lot of disagreements about rebids on these fora are influenced by whether the replier plays a forcing club system --in this case Rob knows it, sometimes it might be subconscious.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 13:23
This looks like a 2NT rebid to me.
2♥ seems quite likely to put us into a 5-1 fit (when partner bids two suits, he usually has a singleton, and with a 1354 hand he would probably (or do I mean hopefully?) raise to 2♥ instead of bidding 2♣).
2♥ seems quite likely to put us into a 5-1 fit (when partner bids two suits, he usually has a singleton, and with a 1354 hand he would probably (or do I mean hopefully?) raise to 2♥ instead of bidding 2♣).
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Posted 2009-September-07, 19:54
I rebid 2nt here also. 2♠ is GF for me when PD has denied 4♠
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