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How can I show my extra value

Poll: what's next (24 member(s) have cast votes)

what's next

  1. simply 3C (5 votes [20.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.83%

  2. 2NT (1 votes [4.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.17%

  3. DBL (what does it show?) (9 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  4. I would dbl instead of overcalling 2c (8 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  5. I would bid 1NT instead of overcalling 2c (1 votes [4.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.17%

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#1 User is offline   cyc0002002 

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Posted 2009-May-24, 09:50

1 2 - -
2 ?



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Posted 2009-May-24, 10:01

My partner bid 2NT with a similar hand but with a real heart stop in the same situation (I think) last weak. I wasn't quite sure if 2NT would be natural or showing 64 in that situation. I think the latter.

I think it's ok to dbl now, or to start with a double, with this hand. Passing now is ok too, you have a good hand for defense and p might take you out to a doomed contract even when 2 would go down.

So I don't have strong feelings about it.

Btw double is take-out and shows ideally 1=3=3=6 oops I mean 3=1=3=6 .

Edit: Thanks Csaba for correcting
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Posted 2009-May-24, 10:12

I like pass, even though it's a little wimpy.

2NT would show 64 and double would show 3-1-3-6, not 1-3-3-6 :)
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Posted 2009-May-25, 17:14

I would double.... if partner bids 3, he will usually have at least 5, and it isn't necessarily a disaster... while if he can bid spades, I like my hand. One of the downsides of defending is that declarer may have little choice but to drop my heart Q for lack of dummy entries.

Close tho... easy to see where bidding can go awry.
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Posted 2009-May-25, 18:35

2NT would be terrible here. X at least allows you to play 2S.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 01:57

I would pass.

Bidding again can be dangerous - I have quite a lot of losers, and who knows, maybe LHO had a trap-pass there..

If the hand does belong to us there is a fair chance that partner will reopen , with either of 3, 2, double, or even 2NT (long +tolerance).
If pd can't bid any of those I think we did well to let them play 2.

Last point - if one feels he is too strong to pass now, maybe he should have started with a (big) double, which would be a (slight) overbid.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 04:38

Agree the hand is strong enough to double 1st round.

Now double 2, of course.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 05:11

If you bid 3C, this already showes a good hand, so
I would just go with it.

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Posted 2009-May-26, 05:28

I would double.

Double might work out badly, but to me this is not a particularly close decision. We have fair extra values, and a hand suitable for playing in 2, 3, or even 2X.

The only other option is Pass. The answer to the question "How can I show my extra values" is almost always to double (takeout), rather than to rebid a suit when you have no extra length. Here, partner will assume a 6 card club suit, and 3 on AKxxxx is a poor choice.

I agree with the initial overcall (but could also live with double instead).
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Posted 2009-May-26, 12:51

obv x
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Posted 2009-May-26, 13:31

Obvious double. Showing this general handtype, and a strong hand.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 13:56

I didn't think it was obvious, but I would double. I agree with prior comments that 3 would be very bad.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 14:01

Double.

I would not have doubled the first time. 2 is clear IMO.

Change the Qx of hearts to the Kx, though, and the hand is MUCH better.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 14:03

2 initially and double now seems to be the current expert standard here and with good reason, IMO.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 16:33

2, now double.
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Posted 2009-May-26, 17:36

JLOL, on May 26 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

obv x

x: 1st or 2nd bid?
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Posted 2009-May-27, 12:36

Double 2H. This shows a good hand and is take-out oriented. The perfect shape would be 3-1-3-6 and partner will expect a little more than an opening hand. Given that our hand differs from the perfect shape by only 1 card and we have plenty of extra values I agree that this is a clear double.
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