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Partner Argued I'm pretty sure I'm right, but...

#1 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

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Posted 2009-May-10, 21:19

All Vul. at IMPs you hold:

Axx
x
T
AJT98xxx

(1♠) - ?

Assume you bid 2♣.

(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠
(4♥) - ?
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Posted 2009-May-10, 21:32

I'm a simple soul, I just bid the obvious 5♣.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 21:37

5C for me.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 21:45

Is this directly over 1♠ or after 2♣ first?
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Posted 2009-May-10, 21:49

mtvesuvius, on May 10 2009, 10:45 PM, said:

Is this directly over 1♠ or after 2♣ first?

Nothing wrong with the 2♣ overcall, anyway I was following the instructions 'Assume you bid 2♣' and bidding 5♣ on the auction as given.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 22:26

I agree with bidding 2♣ first round, although I don't hate bidding more clubs then either. I'm now quite happy to bid 5♣.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 23:05

As usual, Adam, you were right.
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Posted 2009-May-10, 23:16

5C is clear.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 01:01

If we would know what we are doing, I would think this hand is worth a slam try with 4♠. If we are not sure what we are doing, I don't see any reason for partner to start arguing whether we bid 5♣ or take a shot at 6♣.

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Posted 2009-May-11, 03:45

(ignore, must have been smoking something while writing this comment).
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Posted 2009-May-11, 06:46

Partner bid 2♣, then 6♣. Of course 6♣ was down 3... But the opponents were kind enough not to double. Against any decent opponents they would have. As it was, ♣ were 1-1, and the K♥ was a trick, as was the K♦ and A♠. I had xxx Kxx KQxx Kxx.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 07:09

I don't think a 4♠ bid is out of the question. Sometimes partner has more useful cards for his 2♠ bid.

6♣ directly is too much, though.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 07:48

I admit, favourable I might have tried an immediate 5♣.

Opponents finding a ♥ fit is bad news, in comparison to if they had found a ♠ fit. My ♠ holding looks weaker than it did last round. 5♣ now seems fine.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2009-May-11, 08:47

6♣ is a joke, considering we're far from sure we were even making 5♣.

My other (not very considered) option was pass of 4♠.
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Posted 2009-May-11, 21:18

Here are a few scenarios... They may still be easy... What do you do?

1.
(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠
(4♥) - 5♣ - (Pass) - Pass
(5♥) - ?

2.
(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠
(4♥) - 5♣ - (5♥) - Pass
(Pass) - ?

3.
(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠
(4♥) - 5♣ - (5♥) - X
(Pass) - ?
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Posted 2009-May-12, 07:41

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Posted 2009-May-12, 08:02

I am not certain that 2♠ was the best bid with an aceless, flat hand with 3 kings, but that is probably down to partnership agreement. At least it has the merit of showing some defensive strength
The traveller for this hand produces some unexpected results like 5♣ making twice, and Heart/Spade contracts being mis-defended and also allowed to make
4♥ should fail, and 5♣ is a phantom sacrifice. Look like nobody can make anything on this hand
The top scoring contracts of 3♠x and 4♥ should both have been defeated

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Posted 2009-May-12, 10:01

Your PD's 6♣ blast is a huge joke here. If he has slam desires he can certainly bid 4♠ to ask you if you like your hand for slam.

I'd just bid 5♣ with PD's hand and then pass and hope to set with my two aces (perhaps even A♣ cashes) and a trick or two from PD.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 20:33

If you have a 2C bid to start with, it can't become a 5C bid. 2C vul is already a good hand, by bidding only 2 then more aren't you showing an actual power hand. Much easier to just bid 4C on the 1st go, and be consistent.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 20:49

Quantumcat, on May 20 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

If you have a 2C bid to start with, it can't become a 5C bid. 2C vul is already a good hand, by bidding only 2 then more aren't you showing an actual power hand. Much easier to just bid 4C on the 1st go, and be consistent.

Definitely NOT! This hand is not the right texture for 4C.
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