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#1 User is offline   MarkDean 

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Posted 2009-April-09, 23:58

Scoring: XIMP


(1) P (P)

what is your call/plan?
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Posted 2009-April-10, 01:07

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I won't double, defense doesn't work well with a (renonce=) void (sorry).
I could bid an unusual 2NT, but when partner answers 3 or 3 I have no idea if he has a little something to give game a good chance.
When partner raises or bids NT I introduce my diamond suit.
When partner bids spades I bid game.

Most likely opener is strong and will bid something and then I also bid diamonds.
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Posted 2009-April-10, 01:15

Can't think of anything except 1.

dicklont, on Apr 10 2009, 02:07 AM, said:

I could bid an unusual 2NT

Only if you have an unusual agreement about 2NT here. 2NT is usually strong and balanced.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-April-10, 01:52

655321!?

I think this is way too good to balance with 1H. I would double.
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Posted 2009-April-10, 02:32

Perhaps 2 should show any two-suiter, rather than specifically the majors. We're not expecting competition, so there's less need to specify both suits immediately.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-April-10, 02:43

JLOL, on Apr 10 2009, 02:52 AM, said:

655321!?

I think this is way too good to balance with 1H. I would double.

LOL, OK :rolleyes:

Maybe I am wrong but I would still bid 1 because
  • We have a 2 card discrepancy in the majors
  • We are void in clubs
  • We only have 15HCP, so even though the hand is very good there is still a good chance 1 won't be passed out - by starting with 1 I can bid diamonds later if necessary.
I suppose some of this doesn't matter, it is true that if we defend a club contract we do have AK AK to make up for our void in trumps, and the opponents are vulnerable too. Maybe doubling then bidding hearts is a better plan after all (certainly better than I thought originally).
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-April-10, 02:59

gnasher, on Apr 10 2009, 03:32 AM, said:

Perhaps 2 should show any two-suiter, rather than specifically the majors. We're not expecting competition, so there's less need to specify both suits immediately.

I play this, but I play that if you don't have the majors you have a GF 2 suiter. It seems too hard to sort everything out otherwise.
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Posted 2009-April-10, 04:29

JLOL, on Apr 10 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

I play this, but I play that if you don't have the majors you have a GF 2 suiter. It seems too hard to sort everything out otherwise.

It can be done. Advancer normally bids 2, then:
2 = majors, NF
2 = pointed suits, NF
2NT = reds, NF
3 = reds, FG
3 = pointed suits, FG
3 = majors, FG

Or something like that.

I'd never agree to play this though - too much to remember for a fairly rare sequence.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-April-10, 07:42

This is very close, but I have a feeling that partner has a penalty pass, and they are trapped wherever they go... In fact, as a sick fantasy, pass may be best... Give RHO 5 and LHO 4 and an 18 count and now pass is a winner. Anyway... Back to reality. I will double, because I will usually have them trapped wherever they go, and the vulnerbility is favorable. If I had softer values or the vulnerbility was reversed, I would bid 1, since it will almost never be passed out... I'll jump in next then. So I think double is best, as it leaves all options open.
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Posted 2009-April-13, 07:21

The plan is dbl + hearts + diamonds (or spades if pard rebids those).
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Posted 2009-April-13, 08:39

Double because I think this is a little too good to balance 1, and because there might be a big penalty if partner can pass the double.
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Posted 2009-April-13, 08:56

Double looks normal to me.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2009-April-13, 12:21

close decision, but vulnerability asks for double
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