[rbforster]

2nd seat r/w MP club game and the first opponent opens your suit...

Scoring: MP

(1♥)-?

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I'm pretty sure this isn't the standard overcall problem. What's your call?

[xcurt]

4♥ natural? Seriously, what else?

[Hanoi5]

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4♥ natural? Seriously? What?

I fixed your post.

I pass and will bid 4♥ in a later round when it sounds really natural.

[helene_t]

Pass wtp.

[xcurt]

Hanoi5, on Apr 3 2009, 06:35 AM, said:

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4♥ natural? Seriously? What?

I fixed your post.

I pass and will bid 4♥ in a later round when it sounds really natural.

If 4♥ isn't natural then what is it? Can anyone suggest a reasonable meaning? K. Rexford, you are not eligible for this competition.

[RichMor]

xcurt, on Apr 3 2009, 07:15 AM, said:

Hanoi5, on Apr 3 2009, 06:35 AM, said:

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4♥ natural? Seriously? What?

I fixed your post.

I pass and will bid 4♥ in a later round when it sounds really natural.

If 4♥ isn't natural then what is it? Can anyone suggest a reasonable meaning? K. Rexford, you are not eligible for this competition.

Strong 4♠ overcall, an old Kantar treatment.

[whereagles]

I actually have (1♥) 4♥ defined as (pick one of) natural or 66 spades-minor. Pard never bothered to make a choice, so I guess I pass

[rbforster]

Our auction was certainly not repeated. Opener had psyched 1♥ (of course) on a flat zero count.

(1♥)-X*-(XX)-3N    * X= 15+ balanced or very strong 1-suiter, XX likely business(?)
(P)-P-(X)-P
(P)-XX-AP

This was the (approximate) hand:

3NXX by North

low ♣ lead

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On the club lead to the K and A, we scored up 3NXX+4 for 2600. Lucky they didn't lead a spade or we'd have been held to only 10 tricks and 1400 would have been a cold bottom vs 1430 for a more normal 6♥ making 6.

I'm still open to hearing about the expert treatment for likely psych situations like this where you're very very likely you're missing game if it passes out.

[mtvesuvius]

I play 4♥ as natural. Hence, that's what I will bid. Waiting until later makes 4♥ seem much less natural IMO.

[kfay]

I play 4♥ shows both minors. 4NT directly being blackwood.

[gnasher]

Rob F, on Apr 3 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

(1♥)-X*-(XX)-3N    * X= 15+ balanced or very strong 1-suiter, XX likely business(?)
(P)-P-(X)-P
(P)-XX-AP

Why did North bid 3NT when he didn't have a heart stop?

[hanp]

I don't get the 3NT bid either. Perhaps you should discuss what a double followed by a heart bid is. If this is a cuebid then doubling is very risky.

My opponents have never psyched against me in 1st seat, well, not in a live tournament. I'm not worried about it.

I don't have an agreemeent about 4H. I play that 2H - 4H is a strong hand with the minors, I would certainly not try 4H here undiscussed. So I would just pass and jump to 4H next.

[rbforster]

gnasher, on Apr 3 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

Rob F, on Apr 3 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

(1♥)-X*-(XX)-3N     * X= 15+ balanced or very strong 1-suiter, XX likely business(?)
(P)-P-(X)-P
(P)-XX-AP

Why did North bid 3NT when he didn't have a heart stop?

North asked about the XX and it tended to deny a fit for opener. Absent agreements about which bids were forcing after the XX, North gambled 3N since it seemed likely South had the heart stop. South's most likely hand type is 15-18 balanced, which often has a stopper (although this is not required) and seemed to have a fair bit of heart length given shortness in North and West hands. In fact, South did have a fair bit of length, and even a stopper or two!

Double followed by cue would be a very strong balanced hand (I agree this could have made the subsequent auction difficult). Double followed by jump suit is GF, and X followed by non-jump new suit is NF but too good to overcall. We hadn't discussed agreements after the business XX since it hadn't come up before.

Does anybody play that (1M)-3M as a stopper ask with a solid suit could also have the suit opened?

[hanp]

North could have bid 2H, obviously that is forcing.