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#1 User is offline   Ant590 

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Posted 2009-April-02, 04:37

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Which contract do you want to be in?
Which contract do you reach in your chosen system?

Full hand to follow...
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Posted 2009-April-02, 05:33

===> 6♠
===> 3NT or 4NT
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Posted 2009-April-02, 07:21

wclass___, on Apr 2 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

===> 3NT or 4NT

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Posted 2009-April-02, 07:29

Well, 7♦ is close... But I think I would stick with 6♠:

1♠ - 2♥ (GF)
2♠ - 3♣
3♦ - 4♣ (NOT 4th Suit Forcing; Natural)
5NT - 6♠ (Pick a slam; Maybe North would bid 6NT here... But now it's wrongsided. I think 6♠ is a better bid.)
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Posted 2009-April-02, 07:46

-> 6♠.
-> not sure actually. Probably 6♠. At matchpoints our auction would likely go:

1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 2NT 4♠ 4NT 5♣ 6♠
or
1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 2NT 3♦ 4NT 6♦

avoiding 3♣ might or might not be a good idea. In north's view, the hand is likely heading towards 6NT/7NT or 6♠/7♠ and if its NT he wants to play it.
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Posted 2009-April-02, 08:25

wclass___, on Apr 2 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

===> 3NT or 4NT

How could South ever sit for 3NT?
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Posted 2009-April-02, 08:27

1♠-2♥
2♠-3♣
3♦-3♠
4♠-4NT
etc
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Posted 2009-April-02, 08:28

6NT north.

6♠.

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1♠ - 1NT (10-15; GF relay)
2♣ - 2♦ (max; relay)
4♠ - 4NT (7-6 pointed!!*; aces)
5♣ - 5♥ (1A, kings)
5NT - 6♠ (1K; no reason to ask for queens).

(*) there is another route to showing a good 7-6 that can be used with übermax, if one can't stand a pass to 4♠. One can show 7-6 and min as well. So the actual sequence shows some body in the suits.

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Posted 2009-April-02, 08:32

Why is everyone bidding 2♠ over 2♥? Can't I bid 3♦ then 4♦ then ... ? Isn't that a more accurate way of describing my hand?
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Posted 2009-April-02, 16:55

I remember a similar hand in a Marshall Miles book - his suggestion was to open 1S and rebid 6D. I think after that start there's a reasonable chance to play 6NT by North.
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Posted 2009-April-03, 04:16

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We had a rocky sequence to 6NT by North. East lead ♠2 and did well enough to duck after I played the Ace and Jack of spades.
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Posted 2009-April-03, 06:02

Apollo81, on Apr 2 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

wclass___, on Apr 2 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

===> 3NT or 4NT

How could South ever sit for 3NT?

He would always sit there if he opens 1♠ and responder after relays choses to sign off in NON-correctable 3NT/4NT.

7-6 doun't come up much, so it doesn't bother me.
My system is made to win tournaments, not spesific hands.
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Posted 2009-April-03, 13:09

Apollo81, on Apr 3 2009, 03:25 AM, said:

wclass___, on Apr 2 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

===> 3NT or 4NT

How could South ever sit for 3NT?

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Posted 2009-April-03, 13:13

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7-6 doun't come up much, so it doesn't bother me.
My system is made to win tournaments, not spesific hands.


Seems like two arguments not to pass 3NT with this shape.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-April-03, 13:52

wclass___, on Apr 3 2009, 07:02 AM, said:

Apollo81, on Apr 2 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

wclass___, on Apr 2 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

===> 3NT or 4NT

How could South ever sit for 3NT?

He would always sit there if he opens 1♠ and responder after relays choses to sign off in NON-correctable 3NT/4NT.

7-6 doun't come up much, so it doesn't bother me.
My system is made to win tournaments, not spesific hands.

Shouldn't your system be tailored toward all possible hands? Or at least if it's not made for all possible hands, have a way to show these hands, so that these boards are not disasters?

After all, it's kinda tough to win tournements with 1 or 2 dead zeroes just in the bidding...
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Posted 2009-April-03, 14:09

mtvesuvius, on Apr 3 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

wclass___, on Apr 3 2009, 07:02 AM, said:

Apollo81, on Apr 2 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

wclass___, on Apr 2 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

===> 3NT or 4NT

How could South ever sit for 3NT?

He would always sit there if he opens 1♠ and responder after relays choses to sign off in NON-correctable 3NT/4NT.

7-6 doun't come up much, so it doesn't bother me.
My system is made to win tournaments, not spesific hands.

Shouldn't your system be tailored toward all possible hands? Or at least if it's not made for all possible hands, have a way to show these hands, so that these boards are not disasters?

After all, it's kinda tough to win tournements with 1 or 2 dead zeroes just in the bidding...

I didn't say that there isn't way how to show 7-6, there is..
Spot cards in openers ♠ suit is the problem i can't solve

Dead zero? B) It could be Uber max as well... i just tried to say that it woun't frustrate me if i get something below 50% with 7-6
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Posted 2009-April-04, 11:25

mtvesuvius, on Apr 3 2009, 08:52 PM, said:

Shouldn't your system be tailored toward all possible hands? Or at least if it's not made for all possible hands, have a way to show these hands, so that these boards are not disasters?

No. It should be tailored to maximising your chances of winning (or whatever your objective is). That can include accepting that you'll get a zero on a certain category of hand, provided that your system gains enough on other hands to make up for it. If the hands on which you'll get a system-induced zero are very rare, not much compensation is needed on other hands.

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After all, it's kinda tough to win tournements with 1 or 2 dead zeroes just in the bidding...

Hands containing two voids make up about 0.01% of hands. To expect two of them in a single tournament, the event would have to be 2000 boards long.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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