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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2009-March-29, 14:06

IMPs pairs, expert pard, 2/1.

Kxx
9x
KQT9x
AKx

You pard
1 1
1NT 2
2NT 3
..??

1NT = 15-17
2 = natural, but undiscussed. You're playing checkback, btw.

1. What do you think pard has?
2. Your bid?
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Posted 2009-March-29, 14:16

Whatever he has I would bid 3N.
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Posted 2009-March-29, 20:48

so ply with an expert and no discussion your pard has a good hand
all he knows is so far is you have a 4 card diam suit --i would bid 4 clubs now,and your pard will sort it out-u may have slam on in Diamonds -maybe hts
regards-------- p.s. you have 15 points and your pard assumes you have 14 points only, and is still being constructive with 2 spades.
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Posted 2009-March-29, 20:59

Why didn't I open 1N?
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Posted 2009-March-29, 21:24

Winstonm, on Mar 29 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Why didn't I open 1N?

We'll let our OP tell us if he was playing weak NT. I am almost certain that he means the 1NT rebid shows 15-17 so he was playing 12-14 NT.

Hmm playing checkback... my my...is PD showing 6-5 or 7-5 on this sequence ?

If he's 6-5..can 3NT play worse than 4 ?.. well maybe..but if he has only 4 I'll shoot myself if I bid 4 and he goes set.

3NT for me..also...PD is not barred from bidding again.

We have no agreements..I hate to guess.
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Posted 2009-March-29, 21:43

Winstonm, on Mar 29 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Why didn't I open 1N?

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Posted 2009-March-29, 21:55

1NT showed a balanced hand. 2NT denied support for either major. And now 3NT shows both minors very well stopped. Bridge can be so easy sometimes.
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Posted 2009-March-30, 03:11

neilkaz, on Mar 30 2009, 03:24 AM, said:

I am almost certain that he means the 1NT rebid shows 15-17 so he was playing 12-14 NT.

That is correct. A direct 1NT would be weak 12-14.
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Posted 2009-March-30, 09:46

I think 3N is far from obvious. We've already denied 4 or 3. Have I categorically denied a stiff heart (is a 3=1=5=4 OK for a 1N rebid?). Presumably pard is 4-6, but didn't rebid 4 over 1N.

There's two concerns here: pard has a broken heart suit:

Axxx
AJxxxx
x
xx

On a club lead (even a spade lead), 3N has problems. 4 seems much simpler.

Or, pard's hearts are really good:

Qxxx
KQJxxx
x
xx

3N looks hopeless on a club out. 4 has chances.

3N is great if pard has the J / A, or the Q.

If I have denied a heart singleton (and I doubt it affects his evaluation much), I'm going to try 3. This allows pard to back into 3N with stuff in the minors, or to still try 4.
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Posted 2009-March-30, 10:04

I don't have a stiff heart on this auction. Maybe on a very rare occasion (weak minors, HCP in majors) but then I wouldn't be bidding 3NT now.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-March-30, 11:20

Why is partner going to play 3N either of those hands Phil?
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Posted 2009-March-30, 12:18

JLOL, on Mar 30 2009, 12:20 PM, said:

Why is partner going to play 3N either of those hands Phil?

Good question, but if pard has described a 6-4, he might pass under the guise that he has described his hand.

Take: Axxx, AJxxxx, x, xx. Wouldn't we want to play 3N opposite that with Qxx, xx, AQJx, AKQT?
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Posted 2009-March-30, 14:12

Thanks all for the replies. I'd say 3NT seems a pretty good description of the hand. Pard (me) had

ATxx
AQJ8xx
J
Qx

and was trying for slam. The funny thing is opener, over 3... passed!

He later argued I could have used checkback to create a force, so my bidding would be non forcing. I obviously dismissed his claims as rubbish... :)
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