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#1 User is offline   andy_h 

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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:20

Partner is West, and is dealer who opens 1♣ (can be short, playing 2/1)

You hold:
Scoring: IMP


But before you bid, your RHO butts in with 3♦.

Which option do you take?
a ) 3♥
b ) 3NT
c ) X

If you bid 3♥, do you think 3♠ by partner is like 3NT-probing?
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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:31

I would bid 3NT. I think 3♠ over 3♥ would show four spades and therefore the only way to make sure we don't bypass 3NT is to bid it now.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:35

I bid 3♥, my diamond length makes me think partner is likely to have either heart support or four spades anyway.

Switch my majors and I like 3NT since bidding 3♠ would make me more likely to bypass it.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:37

I agree with Josh...

3♠ is certainly 3NT probing imo.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:40

I would double because I think it is very unlkelly this will get us over 3NT. But now I read josh's logic it looks better.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:43

With hearts and 4 spades, wouldn't we have bid double rather than 3♥? So, 3♠ by partner may not promise 4 cards, imo.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:43

3♥, no need to be a genius here.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 18:44

3♥. Double. 3NT. In that order of preference.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


View Postrbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-January-30, 01:57

3 NT, but just because we are simple souls and have no gadget like 3 Spade asking for a stopper. Playing with a tricky BBF member, 3 HEart stands out a mile.

I would never double, because a 3 Spade rebid from partner would be nonforcing, so he may jump to 4 with a good hand and 4 Spades.
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Posted 2009-January-30, 03:14

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Posted 2009-January-30, 08:41

Codo, on Jan 30 2009, 02:57 AM, said:

I would never double, because a 3 Spade rebid from partner would be nonforcing, so he may jump to 4 with a good hand and 4 Spades.

That I agree with. Why would someone take that risk? So they can bid 3NT over 3♠? But if partner is bidding 3♠ after a double, he is also bidding it after a 3♥ bid.
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Posted 2009-January-30, 09:04

I agree Josh, why should someone double?

But at least Hanoi5 did prefer X to 3 NT and Fluffy, a much better player then me, even doubled instead of 3 ♥.
So I tried to write down, why I disagree with them.
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Posted 2009-January-30, 09:24

Martens teaches to play double GF in this sequence.

The logic is that partner will bid 3NT with any positional stopper anyway so you are almost forcing to game by doubling.

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Posted 2009-January-30, 09:43

Great teacher you had.... :rolleyes:
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Posted 2009-January-30, 10:04

According to our partnership understanding 3♥ is forcing. IMO, partners 3♠ rebid does not have to be 4 spades and is a NT probe. Partner is forced to bid and this is the best bid to make without tolerance for hearts. To bid 4♣ is ruling out 3NT.
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Posted 2009-January-30, 11:33

3♥ for me.
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