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Winning KO's or Swiss teamgames.

#21 User is offline   mikeh 

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Posted 2008-September-24, 17:34

I am not disagreeing with Fred, but the reality for most players is that we don't play a lot of 64 board or longer matches. I have played a few of them, but most of my bridge, at least for the past number of years, has been at the club, at sectionals, occasional regionals and every now and then a GNT District Final or the CNTCs. I suspect the level of my opps is closer to the norm for readers here, than is the level of Fred's :D

In short matches, my feeling is that the main factors underlying success are:

1. bidding games aggressively
2. good declarer skill
3. good defence

Games arise often, and afford chances to win or lose a lot of imps.

Declarer skill matters on all boards, other than passouts, as does defence.

Slams.. not so much. Easy slams are often pushed while difficult to bid or difficult to play slams arise too infrequently to be a big reason for winning or losing a short match.. they are important when they happen, but you may go several sessions without one.

Partscore battles are not very important in short matches, in my experience. Oh, every now and then you have a match in which there are no game swings or big blunders, and the partscores matter, but even then, my experience is that most swings happen due to play or defence, not outbidding the opps.

Mistakes matter, but most of the mistakes are included in the bidding of games and the play/defence. There are occasional outright blunders, but these usually have the effect of turning a moderate win into a blitz.

As the match gets longer, the weight accorded to these factors shifts. I think a large part of it is that most of us only get to play long matches against players of at least approximately equal skill level.

Personally, in local regionals, in a KO, I always end up in Bracket 1, where almost all players are good enough that they bid games aggressively, and have basic competency in declarer and some ability on defence. And in the later rounds, the competition gets even tougher... to the point that we can be playing teams with members significantly better than we are.... Passell/Wold was the last experience I had.

In those circumstances, partscores become more important, as do difficult to bid or play slams... because the teams are more evenly matched in the easier areas.

Luck also begins to play a role, altho conventional wisdom has it that luck usually evens out. I accept that, but 'usually' is not 'always', and two evenly matched teams may well battle to within a game swing, and find that the opening notrump range, as a frequent example, either caused a swing in the bidding or a swing based on which hand was on lead.

I also agree that mistakes decide matches more than does brilliance.. but there are two types of mistakes. There is the unforced error, whether through lack of skill, loss of focus, or a 'forget'. then there is the forced error, in which the opps place you in a difficult position and you take the wrong view. (BTW, especially in the unforced error department, luck can really play a role. Sometimes you make a bonehead bid or play and the cards just happen to save you...other times, a minor slip costs you 17 imps. I have been the beneficiary of the first and the victim of the second more than once).

I think this latter category, of forced errors, is most prevalent amongst strong teams.. with aggressive and brave bidders. I have marvelled at some of the top pairs for their ability to handle these situations... I think that this is a large part of what separates the upper echelon (say the top 40 - 60 players in the world) from the next level... and I say this knowing that justin, for one, thinks that there is a significant difference even within the top 50. The top players both create more of these situations for their opps than do the rest of us, but they also go right, when confronted with them, more then we do.
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Posted 2008-September-24, 22:34

I generally agree with the sentiment that not making unforced errors is the most important single factor.

Let's think about this quantitatively. I would guess (somewhat from experience*) that the best players in the world are about 1 IMP per board better than players who regularly win open regional events, and place in NABCs with some frequency. One way to think about this is to ask "what's the average winning margin for the top 10 seeds in the Spingold in the round of 64 or round of 32."

One imp per board is about one game swing and one partscore swing per 16-board segment. That's not that much.

I know that when I was playing regularly -- and I did try to review every session objectively -- I would make 2-3 unforced errors per session, on average. Just really silly things that I wouldn't do if I focused entirely on bridge. Of course not all of those errors would cost or would be game or slam swings, but that's probably half of the gap between me and someone in the late rounds of a National KO.
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Posted 2008-September-25, 09:50

xcurt, on Sep 25 2008, 04:34 AM, said:

...Let's think about this quantitatively. I would guess (somewhat from experience*) that the best players in the world are about 1 IMP per board better than players who regularly win open regional events, and place in NABCs with some frequency. One way to think about this is to ask "what's the average winning margin for the top 10 seeds in the Spingold in the round of 64 or round of 32."...

Of the 9 surviving top 10 seeds in the round of 32 in Vegas - well they won by an average margin of about 44 imps - don't recall if they were 64 board matches or not - guess they were, so about three quarters of an imp per board advantage.

Nick
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