A leading question
#1
Posted 2008-June-10, 05:29
T986
KJT74
Q2
K6
With your side silent the bidding goes (starting with RHO):
P 1♣
1♠ 2♦
2♠ 4♥
4♠ All pass
Opponents play a relatively standard system, 2♦ was a strong revers, I don't know if 2♠ was forcing (my guess is that it wasn't). Your screenmate (RHO) alerts 4♥ and explains it as "Exclusion Blackwood" and 4♠ as 0 keycards. What is your opening lead and do you consider it clear?
Would you consider another lead if 4♥ had been explained as "splinter"?
John
#2
Posted 2008-June-10, 05:58
I think I lead a diamond either way.
The explanation of the 4H bid does not change my choice of lead.
#3
Posted 2008-June-10, 06:16
#5
Posted 2008-June-11, 06:18
The actual lead was a small club (the only lead not suggested by any posters!) and declarer made 10 tricks. A spade or diamond-lead would probably have defeated 4♠, but a heart-lead is clearly the most effective.
When the TD was called he polled several good players (including a Bermuda Bowl champion). All of them led hearts (one considered a spade) after both explanations and most considered this lead "clearcut". The reason I started with a small poll was that I was unsure about this conclusion, suspecting that some of the players may have been influenced by knowing the deal, having just played the same set.
The then TD ruled that the lead was not affected by the explanation, that the non-offending side was not damaged and that the result stood. Do you agree?
John
#6
Posted 2008-June-11, 06:45
#7
Posted 2008-June-11, 08:18
This is, I think, what the director means when he says, "the lead was not affected by the misexplanation". The auction says, lead a trump or lead a heart, and yet the guy chose to lead a club anyway. Too bad.
So, yes, I agree with the directors ruling.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
#8
Posted 2008-June-11, 08:24
I probably would have led a spade on the auction given, regardless of whether 4♥ was exclusion or a splinter. A club seems strange regardless of which explanation 4♥ gets, and I don't think that "oh no, it was actually a splinter" is enough of a difference to change a strange lead to a more sensible one.
#9
Posted 2008-June-11, 08:38
#10
Posted 2008-June-11, 08:51
But I'm surprised I was the only diamond leader...
Why can't the layout be, say,
Axx
A
Kxx
AQJ10xx
opposite
KQxxx
xxx
xxx
xx
or similar
If dummy were known to have four trumps a diamond would be obvious. I agree it's much tougher with only three in dummy as the tap is more likely to work.
#11
Posted 2008-June-11, 08:59
I am tempted to lead ♥K given the splinter explanation, and a low heart given the exclusion (or a void splinter) explanation.
#12
Posted 2008-June-11, 09:06
Unless explicitly stated, none of my views here can be taken to represent SCBA or any other organizations.
#13
Posted 2008-June-11, 10:41
Just asking.
#14
Posted 2008-June-11, 10:44
JoAnneM, on Jun 11 2008, 05:41 PM, said:
Just asking.
Was that aimed at me (the diamond leader)?
I didn't specify which diamond I was leading (Actually I hadn't yet decided which diamond I was leading.)
As for whether low from Hx is unusual, I think that depends on your country, it's more common in some places than others. Jvage is from Norway (I think), they may not have lead pre-alert requirements at all. Certainly where I play, it would be marked on the convention card but we also do not have pre-alert requirements.
#16
Posted 2008-June-11, 11:00
JoAnneM, on Jun 11 2008, 11:41 AM, said:
Just asking.
True, in the ACBL, but if I'm not mistaken, the OP is in Norway. The alert regs on this point may be different there.
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#17
Posted 2008-June-11, 11:35
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#18
Posted 2008-June-11, 11:41
Anyway, I agree that a heart or diamond lead seems best here and that the mis-explanation is unrelated to the lead chosen at the table, so result should stand.
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#20
Posted 2008-June-12, 02:26
The club lead was non-standard, he was hoping for a misguess from declarer, playing him for a singleton.
It seems most (all?) posters agree with the TD that there was no damage from the MI (Misinformation). I agree that the differences in the distributions of the North and South hands with the 2 explanations are rather insignificant, North's most likely distribution in both cases is 3046. It probably rarely makes much difference for the best defense wether North got a singleton or void in hearts.
There is however a subtle difference in the indicated honour location. If you accept the Exclusion RKCB explanation North asked for aces and abandoned slam when South showed none. This means opening leaders partner got a non-heart ace, which in turn indicates that North's suits are more solid and that South is more likely to have heart-values. The club-leader may have played for for something like this:
KQJ
-
AKxx
AQJTxx
xxxxx
AQx
xxx
xx
If this is the distribution (no need to complain about South rebidding 2♠, it is just an illustration
While we can probably agree that the club-lead was somewhat speculative, the layout where it may be winning is somewhat indicated by the MI. Is this reasoning too farfetched?
John

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