[deep]

system natural 4°Major

1♥-(p)-1NT-(p)
2♦-(p) - ?

What bid South better 2NT or pass?

Team match

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Thanks to all those who will want to answer me and to help me, like always!!!

[cjames]

I think I would go for 3♦.

[ArtK78]

Close between pass and 2♥. I would bid 2♥, not because hearts is a better fit or a better scoring strain (this is IMPs, after all), but it allows partner to make another call if he has a maximum, in which case we can get to 3NT.

[helene_t]

I agree with Art:

2♥.

Partner has shown approximately 11-17 points.

2NT would show approximately 11 points. (Sorry, forgot this a is 4-card majors. Not sure what 2NT would show).

Pass would show max. 7 points.

So 3♦ or 2♥ it is.

After 2♥ partner has more room for finding out if we can play 3NT. After 3♦ he would have to guess.

[Apollo81]

ArtK78, on Jun 19 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

Close between pass and 2♥. I would bid 2♥, not because hearts is a better fit or a better scoring strain (this is IMPs, after all), but it allows partner to make another call if he has a maximum, in which case we can get to 3NT.

Agree, assuming you're playing 5-card majors.

[nige1]

deep, on Jun 19 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

Team matchsystem natural 4°Major
1♥-(p)-1NT-(p)
2♦-(p) - ?
What bid South better 2NT or pass?
Thanks to all those who will want to answer me and to help me, like always!!!

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IMO 2N = 10, 2♥ = 9, _P = 6, 3♦ = 5
2N = natural with at least 3 ♦. Playing 4CMs and a weak notrump in an Acol-like system, this hand is nearly worth a two-level response, so 2N is descriptive and not a gross overbid.

[mikeh]

Apollo81, on Jun 19 2008, 12:04 PM, said:

ArtK78, on Jun 19 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

Close between pass and 2♥.  I would bid 2♥, not because hearts is a better fit or a better scoring strain (this is IMPs, after all), but it allows partner to make another call if he has a maximum, in which case we can get to 3NT.

Agree, assuming you're playing 5-card majors.

The bidding promises 5 hearts, I believe. I am not an acolite, but I have played 4 card majors, and this sequence shows at least 5 hearts.. Frances or other acolites can enlighten me if I am wrong

[Halo]

Partner has 54 at least and I am passing 2♦ because it seems a very good place to play.

[jtfanclub]

Me confused.

1NT was forcing, or not forcing?

If 1NT was not forcing, then I've already shown 2 hearts, so I bid 3 diamonds.
If 1NT was forcing, then I bid 2 hearts to show, well, two hearts.

I dunno, it makes sense to me at least.

[ArtK78]

jtfanclub, on Jun 19 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

If 1NT was not forcing, then I've already shown 2 hearts, so I bid 3 diamonds.

You wouldn't bid 1NT nonforcing holding:

xxx
x
KJxxx
QJxx

?

1NT nonforcing doesn't promise 2 card support for partner's major.

[helene_t]

Hey JTF what are you smoking? 1NT is not forcing in a natural 4-card major system, and it does not promise two hearts. Never heard about that agreement. Are there systems in which a 1NT reply promises 2-card support? Maybe in Vienna .........

[jtfanclub]

helene_t, on Jun 19 2008, 05:53 PM, said:

Hey JTF what are you smoking? 1NT is not forcing in a natural 4-card major system, and it does not promise two hearts. Never heard about that agreement. Are there systems in which a 1NT reply promises 2-card support? Maybe in Vienna .........

Yeah, I forgot, nobody ever passes any more.

Sorry, I'll shut up for now.

[rogerclee]

jtfanclub, on Jun 19 2008, 05:40 PM, said:

Yeah, I forgot, nobody ever passes any more.

I am having a hard time understanding what you are talking about.

[the hog]

I'm very surprised by the answers. 2S as a good D raise looks 100% clear to me.

Fwiw playing a nf NT response:
2S impossible = max D raise with cards outside Ds
2NT = max D raise with good Ds, often 5
3D = weakish hand with long Ds

It changes a bit if 1NT is forcing:
2S max D raise
2NT inv in NT
3D as above.

[foo]

The_Hog, on Jun 19 2008, 08:09 PM, said:

I'm very surprised by the answers. 2S as a good D raise looks 100% clear to me.

Fwiw playing a nf NT response:
2S impossible = max D raise with cards outside Ds
2NT = max D raise with good Ds, often 5
3D = weakish hand with long Ds

It changes a bit if 1NT is forcing:
2S max D raise
2NT inv in NT
3D as above.

I completely agree with The_Hog.

2S! showing an good ♦ raise by me.

[andy_h]

This doesn't look like a 2S raise to me. Too many black stuff and not enough reds. If I'm playing 4cM, I will bid 2H now leaving room for partner if he wants to invite. 3D is my 2nd choice, and I would not pass at all.

[ArtK78]

Not even close to a 2♠ bid.

A diamond and about a Q or K short.

[mike777]

deep, on Jun 19 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

system natural 4°Major

1♥-(p)-1NT-(p)
2♦-(p) - ?

What bid South better 2NT or pass?

Team match

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Thanks to all those who will want to answer me and to help me, like always!!!

To me this is just another in the endless discussion of what does an opening bid show.
As a nonexpert I just find discussing what an opening one level or two level bid in first or second seat shows to be extremely important. BWS has yet to define what an opening one level or two level bid is in detail.
1) If I open light I think this is a clear 2h bid
2) If I open Roth style I think this is clear 2s bid(sound raise)
3) If I open something other, I am not sure.

[the hog]

ArtK78, on Jun 20 2008, 11:13 AM, said:

Not even close to a 2♠ bid.

A diamond and about a Q or K short.

Art do you even read ops? The op is playing a 4 card M system. Persumably the 1NT response shows 6-9. In that context this is certainly a 2S bid! Responder can't even have a Q more.

[655321]

The only call I feel strongly about is Pass - to me pass here is very bad.

Probably I would bid 3♦, although that doesn't leave much room to get to 3NT.
2NT seems a bit weird, but we do have very good black suit stoppers, and a fit for one of partner's suits.
2♥ is almost an underbid, but does leave a lot of room for partner.
2♠ is a bit of an overbid, but we can still get out in 3♦ if partner is very bad.

So I would not have a problem with a partner choosing any of the non-pass bids here.