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1x-1NT-Reverse-2NT
eg: 1♦-1NT-2♥-2NT
(Suppose you agreed that 1x-1y-reverse-2NT is Lebensohl. )
How do you play 2NT here? Do you prefer to play it as weak to be able to stop on 3-level or do you prefer to play it as natural to be able to stop in 2NT?
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Posted 2008-March-23, 06:22
Lebensohl.
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Posted 2008-March-23, 06:53
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Posted 2008-March-23, 07:16
LEB if REV is 2♠.
2♠ instead if 2♥ REV.
If 2♦ REV, Flags (2♥=♣, 2♠=♦) for strong preference/raise, 2NT NAT.
2♠ instead if 2♥ REV.
If 2♦ REV, Flags (2♥=♣, 2♠=♦) for strong preference/raise, 2NT NAT.
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Posted 2008-March-23, 08:00
2NT cannot be passed for me. Strongly prefer 2S as the weak call here btw, don't understand why you wouldn't play that.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-March-23, 13:22
Until recently we have played it as a minimum with a stopper.
Recently we adopted a new method.
Our non-standard method is:
After
1♣ 1Maj
2♦
and
1♦ 1♠
2♥
we play the first step is any minimum and does not show any extra strength. Every other bid is descriptive and game-forcing. Since the first step (2♥ or 2♠ does not show extra length we play it as forcing and do make the same bid on a hand with extra length and GF values but not suitable for a jump rebid which would always show a very good suit.
Recently we adopted a new method.
Our non-standard method is:
After
1♣ 1Maj
2♦
and
1♦ 1♠
2♥
we play the first step is any minimum and does not show any extra strength. Every other bid is descriptive and game-forcing. Since the first step (2♥ or 2♠ does not show extra length we play it as forcing and do make the same bid on a hand with extra length and GF values but not suitable for a jump rebid which would always show a very good suit.
Wayne Burrows
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Posted 2008-March-23, 15:08
I think this is smart to play natural here:
- 2S "cuebid" in support of diamonds (ok that isn't quite natural)
- 2NT natural and non-forcing but rarely passed. Shows a minimum with cards in the unbid suits and a notrump-oriented hand.
- 3C 6+ clubs non-forcing
- 3D non-forcing
- 3H typically 3 hearts to an honor and a good hand for diamonds
- 3NT maximum with cards in the unbid suits and a notrump-oriented hand
IMO "normal" reverse considerations (where something like Lebensohl is important) do not apply here because:
- 1NT has limited responder's hand
- Slam is very unlikely
- Over 1NT response it is attractive for opener to "shade" a reverse with a hand that would only be worth 2D had the response been 1S (say a 1462 14-count).
Please note this is not my usual tirade against science. I am a big believer in science after a "normal" reverse like 1D-1S-2H, but different considerations apply here.
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- 2S "cuebid" in support of diamonds (ok that isn't quite natural)
- 2NT natural and non-forcing but rarely passed. Shows a minimum with cards in the unbid suits and a notrump-oriented hand.
- 3C 6+ clubs non-forcing
- 3D non-forcing
- 3H typically 3 hearts to an honor and a good hand for diamonds
- 3NT maximum with cards in the unbid suits and a notrump-oriented hand
IMO "normal" reverse considerations (where something like Lebensohl is important) do not apply here because:
- 1NT has limited responder's hand
- Slam is very unlikely
- Over 1NT response it is attractive for opener to "shade" a reverse with a hand that would only be worth 2D had the response been 1S (say a 1462 14-count).
Please note this is not my usual tirade against science. I am a big believer in science after a "normal" reverse like 1D-1S-2H, but different considerations apply here.
Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com
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