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3♣ - 3♠
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:47
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:51
I'm passing this, and I don't think it's close.
I'm not moving at IMPs either, but that's a closer call.
I'm not moving at IMPs either, but that's a closer call.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:57
Hmm, changed my mind again. Back to just passing, 5♦ if desperate at IMPs as a punt, 6♣ also okay.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:03
Pass.
No reason why we should expect to make slam. For example, we will often (usually?) be off the ♥A and the ♠Q, even before worrying about the club suit.
No reason why we should expect to make slam. For example, we will often (usually?) be off the ♥A and the ♠Q, even before worrying about the club suit.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:05
If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade.
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:06
Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 02:05 PM, said:
If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade.
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.
No agreements as such. First time playing together, which meant I felt it all the more likely that partner had a sound call.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 17:06
Hmm yeah agree with that Matt. With a regular partner I would surely pass though.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 17:19
It makes a difference whether partner was first or second seat.
It feels like I am worth one move but if partner's clubs are not running then the five-level is very dangerous. So I pass.
If I could move then I would want to be able to offer 6♣.
It feels like I am worth one move but if partner's clubs are not running then the five-level is very dangerous. So I pass.
If I could move then I would want to be able to offer 6♣.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 17:48
Echognome, on Feb 12 2008, 04:06 PM, said:
Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 02:05 PM, said:
If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade.
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.
No agreements as such. First time playing together, which meant I felt it all the more likely that partner had a sound call.
I agree that partners who haven't seen your preempts yet will bid more disciplined.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 17:56
Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 11:05 PM, said:
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S?
Is that something you need to discuss? I'd just assume that four of a red suit showed spade support and shortage.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-February-12, 19:51
6S. Hope 6-7C to KQ/KJ10 with SQx. May not even need H-guess(Q or A onside).
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Posted 2008-February-12, 21:02
dake50, on Feb 13 2008, 02:51 PM, said:
6S. Hope 6-7C to KQ/KJ10 with SQx. May not even need H-guess(Q or A onside).
That seems incredibly optimistic.
I think 4♠ can be on ♠ xx.
And there is no guarantee that partner has the ♣ K.
Other things being equal ...
Let's say partner has two spades then there is only a 2:5 against chance that he has the ♠Q.
Even if partner has three spades then it is 3:4 against that he has the spade queen. Of course then there is a chance that the spades will break or he has the jack and the queen drops.
In clubs if he has six then it is 6:4 on that he has the ♣K and if he has seven clubs then it is 7:3 on. There are added chances with the club QJ etc but they might require an entry to the dummy.
I think two spades is more likely than three and six clubs is more likely than seven (although this may depend on your pre-empting style).
The best chance is when partner has three spades and seven clubs but then we are still only a combined chance of 3/7 x 7/10 = 3/10 to cover both losers (plus some residuals). The worst chance is much worse 2/7 x 6/10 = 6/35 < 20%
Of course these numbers might be affected by the fact that partner did decide to open but they have to improve a lot to cover our losers.
There are other possibilities but all slim when you consider the possession of the ♥ A.
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2008-February-13, 04:42
I'm gonna pass unless pard is solid (in which case I bid 6♣).
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Posted 2008-February-13, 04:51
I pass.
If you think of slamming now, I think that you shouldn't have bid 3♠. It would have been better to just bash 6♣.
The new information that you got from partner's 4♠ bid is that partner is more likely to have three small spades. That is not good news. So, if you were thinking of slam all along, the 4♠ bid should make you shy away from bidding it.
Rik
If you think of slamming now, I think that you shouldn't have bid 3♠. It would have been better to just bash 6♣.
The new information that you got from partner's 4♠ bid is that partner is more likely to have three small spades. That is not good news. So, if you were thinking of slam all along, the 4♠ bid should make you shy away from bidding it.
Rik
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Posted 2008-February-13, 10:35
gnasher, on Feb 12 2008, 06:56 PM, said:
Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 11:05 PM, said:
Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S?
Is that something you need to discuss? I'd just assume that four of a red suit showed spade support and shortage.
Dunno, I would not assume it showed shortness so we would be on different wavelengths. Maybe you do not preempt with 3226 but I am not as sound
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Posted 2008-February-13, 11:04
Expecting ♣K from partner is not expecting much for a vulnerable opening, I find it close but I would move on. Knowing partner would help to find out what he's got in spades, but with no notion I think 6♣ is our best shot (it was still the round before 
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Posted 2008-February-13, 11:06
Fluffy, love all means non-vulnerable.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 11:11
really?, damn, love should mean red, not white nor green lol.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 14:49
For what it's worth partner held:
♠Jx
♥x
♦Jxxx
♣KQJxxx
Given we had just had a bottom, I punted 6♠ with the reasoning of protecting my ♥K on opening lead. That reasoning flew out the window when I saw dummy. But luck was with us when ♠Qx were onside.
♠Jx
♥x
♦Jxxx
♣KQJxxx
Given we had just had a bottom, I punted 6♠ with the reasoning of protecting my ♥K on opening lead. That reasoning flew out the window when I saw dummy. But luck was with us when ♠Qx were onside.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 17:06
Cascade, let's see NO SQ, NO CK NO HA HQ so partner 3C on S-xx H-xx D-xxx C-Q109xxx. He is some kind of masochist! Rule of 5-6?