[han]

I never look at vulnerability anyway.

Double, will bid 4H over 4C and 5D over 4D.

[matmat]

I do what Han says

btw, what would 3nt be here, can p, staring at, presumably, three spades, figure out that we don't have a stopper and thus we're distributional?

[Winstonm]

I bitch slap RHO.

[pclayton]

4♦ NLM obv.

Not playing that, I'll try 4♥.

[jdonn]

Never heard of it before although I bet it's been thought of, but maybe 4m as non-leaping michaels would be a good thing to play here. Yeah I know you would lose big on some single suited hands in minor.

I guess I would double. 4♥ is not bad though.

Edit: No I did NOT notice Phil wrote that right before I did. And yes I am that dumb.

[Apollo81]

I'd bid 4♥. The suit is chunkier, more likely to draw a 4♠ bid, and is only 10 tricks for the game bonus.

[helene_t]

With one p I play NLM here. Otherwise double and "correct" 4♣ to 4♥. dbl followed by 4♦ would show longer ♦ then ♥.

[whereagles]

Agree with helene.

[ArtK78]

I would overcall 4♥. Don't want to be faced with the problem of what to do if partner jumps to 5♣.

[han]

It's not a problem (you pass), but it might be a poor spot.

[Codo]

4 Heart least evil

[gnasher]

If you play 4D as two-suited after a 3S opening, you should play it here as well. I do.

Without that agreement, I'd double, then bid 4H over either minor, showing a flexible hand with five hearts. I'd expect partner to remove this with a singleton heart, or with a low doubleton heart and somewhere to go to. This might work out badly opposite xxx xx Kxxxx Axx, but caters for xxx Ax, Kxxxx xxx

This would have been more awkward if RHO had opened 3S, when we'd have had to consider what to do after (3S) dbl (4S) 5C.

[Cascade]

We play non-leaping Michaels in all auctions like this.

This hand seems perfect for 4♦.

[Cascade]

jdonn, on Jan 27 2008, 01:01 PM, said:

Yeah I know you would lose big on some single suited hands in minor.

Sure but big single suited minor hands already have three options:

1. Jump to 5 minor

2. Bid 3NT

3. Make a takeout double

Years ago I did a simulation that involved a hand that might be suitable for a 4minor overcall. The results of the simulation suggested that 4minor was the worst option - bashing 3NT without a full stopper; making an offshape takeout double; and overcalling a 4-card major all worked better than bidding 4minor - there is just no upside.

We I learnt about non-leaping Michaels it was the perfect convention to fill the void created by not overcalling on "tradional" 4minor hands.

[dake50]

SuperMaf(ChielVorheist sp?): 4C =H+D; 4D =H+C; X =bal/3-suits/1-suit works as specifically designed on this 2-suiter.

[ArcLight]

Cascade, on Jan 27 2008, 07:38 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 27 2008, 01:01 PM, said:

Yeah I know you would lose big on some single suited hands in minor.

Sure but big single suited minor hands already have three options:

1. Jump to 5 minor

2. Bid 3NT

3. Make a takeout double

Years ago I did a simulation that involved a hand that might be suitable for a 4minor overcall. The results of the simulation suggested that 4minor was the worst option - bashing 3NT without a full stopper; making an offshape takeout double; and overcalling a 4-card major all worked better than bidding 4minor - there is just no upside.

We I learnt about non-leaping Michaels it was the perfect convention to fill the void created by not overcalling on "tradional" 4minor hands.

Wayne,
What software did you use for the simulation?

[Fluffy]

At MP's I'd bid 4♥ because it rates to be our best spot, but at IMPs a flexible double seems the best way to go plus.