[kfay]

Scoring: IMP

(1♥)-3♦-(Dbl)-?

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What's the gameplan?

[gwnn]

after the mandatory ramblings of "depends who partner is, depends what he wjos with", I'd bid 6♦ most of the time and 5♦ with more imaginative partners. I would not bid any more.

[cherdano]

I would bid 6♦, which could be a good save against game.

[Apollo81]

Yes, 6♦. It would be really optimistic to expect to beat 5 of something.

[pclayton]

6D for me too. I'm mildly worried that we can beat 5H with AS and a spade ruff, and another trick, this means 6D becomes very cheap. I would have a nagging feeling if I bid 5D and they competed to 5H.

[matmat]

5♠ if I trust p to take it as a lead direct diamond raise. 6♦ otherwise

[Apollo81]

pclayton, on Jan 28 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

6D for me too. I'm mildly worried that we can beat 5H with AS and a spade ruff, and another trick, this means 6D becomes very cheap. I would have a nagging feeling if I bid 5D and they competed to 5H.

Of course you might not even beat 6.....

[P_Marlowe]

5D.

Do they have heart fit, maybe, but the guy
who made the neg. X most likely denied a
fit for partner.
Do they have a club fit, maybe, but hard to
find out over 5D.
Do they have a spadefit, maybe, but they are
welcome to play spade.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kfay]

Added information.

Partner's preempts are quite often suspect. Sitting at the table you feel the odds are in favor of the opponents' making 6X.

[Apollo81]

kfay, on Jan 28 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

Added information.

Partner's preempts are quite often suspect.  Sitting at the table you feel the odds are in favor of the opponents' making 6X.

The odds are in favor of partner holding a singleton spade or another trick somewhere.

[P_Marlowe]

kfay, on Jan 28 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

Added information.

Partner's preempts are quite often suspect. Sitting at the table you feel the odds are in favor of the opponents' making 6X.

Just because they may make 6?, does
not mean they will bid it over 5D.
But if they bid it, I guess we are talking
about 6H, they will also bid it over 6D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

suspect as in having outside values or suspect as in xxxxxx and out? not the same, dude

[mike777]

6D

[han]

Count me in.

[kfay]

I also bid 6♦ at the table but was a little disconcerted at how comfortable I felt doing it. I felt like that opponents would also be quite comfortable and manage fine. They did.

I don't quite remember the hand but the long and short of it is that LHO held:

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and made an overtrick when partner led a ♦ and dummy hit with ♥Kx and the ♣A.

Push board.

In hindsight I wish I'd bid 7♦, LHO bids 7♥ and now I double for a ♠ lead (we have that agreement). Maybe this is an isolated incident but I've seen about 4 or 5 hands like this and to my recollection preempting at the 7-level was the winning action.

At the very least I wish I'd bid 5♠ (SJS) to get a 1-imp gain.

[pclayton]

The problem with 7♦ is that you the opponents usually are boxed into doubling and you are probably going for 800. If game is the limit on the hand, you've already lost 8 or so. If you are saccing over a slam, then you are only gaining 4.

On a really, really bad day, the opponents are taking the push to 6♥ which you are beating with the spade ruff. You just turned a huge plus position (+50) into a huge minus.

I think it's pretty weird that LHO had a TEN bagger, don't you?

[655321]

5♦ for me.

[brianshark]

Well, discounting the freak hand that our LHO pulled on us in the actual original, as an abstract problem I think I would try to buy it in 5♦ first. I might compete to 6 if opps bid 5M or I might not, depending on my mood, how confidently they bid over me, etc. And yes, I'm fully aware I'm giving them more room to exchange information than a direct 6♦. But I think the chance of buying it in the cheaper 5♦x is worth the risk.