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What Is The Best Line For 12 Tricks? ...or why I should stick to chess

#1 User is offline   WrecksVee 

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Posted 2008-January-26, 09:48

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After RHO passed I opened as South 1. LHO overcalled 1. Partner showed invite plus support for by cue bidding 2. I bid 4NT RKCB and we got to 6 with the Opps silent. If this seems aggressive we were down 18 IMPs and this was the last board.

Playing standard leads LHO leads the Q.

What is the best line to make the contract?

I will now pass some time awaiting helpful input at the Internet Chess Club where I can see ahead far more moves than I can tricks.

Thanks in advance for any and all analysis and advice.

PS: this is not a Rex and Jay Misadventure as, sadly, declarer play is a solo activity.
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Posted 2008-January-26, 13:20

I would win in hand, cash the ace of hearts, ruff a low heart, lead a trump to the king. If that holds, I'm ruffing another heart high and playing another trump. That line works whenever hearts break no worse than 5-3 and trump no worse than 3-1, plus some other variations where hearts are 6-2 but the short opponent doesn't have the T of diamonds.

Edit: Oops, I'm an idiot. Ignore me.
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Posted 2008-January-26, 14:09

CSGibson, on Jan 26 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

I would win in hand, cash the ace of hearts, ruff a low heart, lead a trump to the king.  If that holds, I'm ruffing another heart high and playing another trump.  That line works whenever hearts break no worse than 5-3 and trump no worse than 3-1, plus some other variations where hearts are 6-2 but the short opponent doesn't have the T of diamonds.

That's only 11 tricks - you will lose a spade at the end, even if the 10 doesn't score on the 4th round of .

A line that has some chance (maybe 25%) is to win the lead in hand, play A and ruff a club (who knows, the KQ may fall), and play K, hoping for stiff 10 or trumps 2-2. Then, if are 4-3, you can set them up, and you will have successfully reversed dummy. You will score 6 trump tricks and 2 in each side suit.

If the s don't set up but the 10 falls, you would even have the entries to finesse in hearts. (Take second ruff high and enter dummy with a trump.)
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Posted 2008-January-26, 14:09

CSGibson, on Jan 26 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

I would win in hand, cash the ace of hearts, ruff a low heart, lead a trump to the king.  If that holds, I'm ruffing another heart high and playing another trump.  That line works whenever hearts break no worse than 5-3 and trump no worse than 3-1, plus some other variations where hearts are 6-2 but the short opponent doesn't have the T of diamonds.

Except for the fact that you wind up with 11 tricks, that line works just fine.

There are two possibilities - try to set up the dummy with 3 club ruffs, or try to cross ruff the hand.

Setting up the dummy with 3 club ruffs depends upon the 10 being singleton or doubleton and being able to get to dummy enough to establish the clubs. I don't think this is the right line.

A cross ruff works if you are able to ruff 2 hearts and a spade in dummy. This works whenever hearts are 4-4 or if the Q comes up doubleton or tripleton (elimiating the need for one of the heart ruffs). There are some other complications, but this seems best.

So, win the K in dummy, play A, K (pitching a spade from dummy) and another heart, ruffing in dummy, A and club ruff, A and ruff a spade in dummy, club ruff, heart. If you can successfully ruff the fourth heart in dummy, ruff a club and claim one more trump trick in hand.
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Posted 2008-January-26, 14:09

I don't see anything better then the heart finesse:

Win the spade ace, heart to the jack, ace of hearts (discard a spade), spade king, spade ruff, diamond to the king. Then ruff another heart at the first opportunity (pull another trump first when the diamond ace is played rightaway).
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Posted 2008-January-26, 14:31

I see 3 lines:

1. Work on clubs. K, A, ruff a , AK ( from dummy) A, ruff a . You can try a high trump now. If trumps are 2-2 I think you are cold, or if you get a stiff 10 you have other options. ATx stops this as a trump is established.

2. Crossruff of sorts: A, AK (), ruff , A, ruff, ruff heart, ruff club, ruff heart, claim. This needs hearts 4-4, spades not 5-2 or 6-1 (or if they are, the short spade without the 10) and clubs not 5-2 over me.

3. Heart finesse. This gives you a lot of of insurance against bad splits in any side suit but its very committal. If I thought about this option I would definitely start with a high trump.

My gut tells me that 3 isn't best, and either 1 or 2 is better - or a combination of the two. Possibly a different sequence might be better too.

Another option is to play a high diamond from hand. The problem is if they shoot back a diamond, you've lost the possibility of #2, since you need three trump in dummy. I think you can still try #1 after a trump.

I'm running out but I'll think about this more.
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Posted 2008-January-26, 18:32

Win in hand, , ruff, Q. I think there is a good chance trumps are breaking; sometimes West would double with a singleton. In any case, the hearts may be easier to guess after testing a few other suits.
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Posted 2008-January-26, 20:14

On the actual hand I went with the idea of ruffing a and two in dummy. I overlooked the auction forgetting that LHO overcalled 1. As were 5-2 and RHO had the T. So I needed to try any other line. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2008-January-26, 20:31

I forgot the auction as well, as the auction was buried in the initial post.

Please make the auction more prominent in your posts. There is a place for the auction in the hand diagram.
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Posted 2008-January-26, 20:48

I didn't see the overcall either. This changes everything.
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Posted 2008-January-27, 13:02

Poor Rex-- he can't even post a hand correctly! See what I have to put up with?

I think Bhall's line is the best one myself


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