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Why don't you vote in this poll? If you abstain we want to know why

Poll: With whom do you agree? (54 member(s) have cast votes)

With whom do you agree?

  1. Sceptic and/or Mike777 (1 votes [1.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.85%

  2. Cherdano and/or Gnome (7 votes [12.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.96%

  3. They both (all) have equally valid points (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. I'm not sufficiently informed about the issue (3 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  5. I'm biased because of a relation with one of the four (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. I'm biased because I hold shares in a ballot machine factory (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. I abstained because otherwise helene would nail me (2 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  8. My religion does not allow me to vote (2 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  9. I have zero bridge credentials (11 votes [20.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.37%

  10. As a contrarian I only vote in polls with a "no" option (1 votes [1.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.85%

  11. I saved my ballot ticket for writing an interesting hand on the back (2 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  12. I voted but I won't tell you for whom (1 votes [1.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.85%

  13. I abstained for some other reason (3 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  14. I abstained but I won't say why (5 votes [9.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.26%

  15. I don't understand this poll (10 votes [18.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

  16. Other (6 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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#1 User is offline   helene_t 

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Posted 2007-October-24, 18:10

See the "We did not vote for Bush" thread for the issue at hand.
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Posted 2007-October-24, 18:25

abstain, I am biased and have a conflict of interest.
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Posted 2007-October-24, 18:51

Damn I lost my ballet. The sad thing is that I put a nice proof on the back....
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Posted 2007-October-24, 18:52

I did vote in this poll, but I had a hanging chad so my vote went to Buchanan.
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Posted 2007-October-24, 18:54

jdonn, on Oct 24 2007, 07:52 PM, said:

I did vote in this poll, but I had a hanging chad so my vote went to Buchanan.

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Posted 2007-October-24, 18:57

I abstain, I agree with cherdano but don't want anyone to get the impression that anyone else might agree with gnome.
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Posted 2007-October-24, 19:16

cherdano, on Oct 24 2007, 04:57 PM, said:

I abstain, I agree with cherdano but don't want anyone to get the impression that anyone else might agree with gnome.

Well, I voted for myself for consistency. I imagine Arend is just worried that everyone voting the same way will be agreeing with " /or Gnome".
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Posted 2007-October-24, 20:40

i voted for Captain Crunch. is that bad?
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Posted 2007-October-24, 21:22

I voted for the Cherdano / Gnome ticket.

Matt will kick my ass if I vote any other way.
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Posted 2007-October-24, 21:25

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I abstained because otherwise helene would nail me


Actually, I was looking to turn this around. :P
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Posted 2007-October-25, 01:53

Americans, democracy and voting that does not attain it. Was that the problem?

Time to come back into the Commonwealth and get it right ....

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But still one phrase jumps out from Mr Gould’s excellent and thorough report. The voter, he says, was “treated as an afterthought” in planning and organising the May 3 elections.

The prime concern of politicians was . . . politicians. Quite.

And the instant reaction of the political parties? Blame rivals, exonerate themselves.

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Posted 2007-October-25, 05:23

joshs, on Oct 25 2007, 02:54 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 24 2007, 07:52 PM, said:

I did vote in this poll, but I had a hanging chad so my vote went to Buchanan.

Helene, Did you use the designer of Florida's election ballets by any chance?

No, I couldn't get it running under Wine. On advice from Gerardo I downloaded an open-source clone instead.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 07:24

helene_t, on Oct 25 2007, 12:10 AM, said:

See the "We did not vote for Bush" thread for the issue at hand.

Wich of the 30 pages should I look at?
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Posted 2007-October-25, 08:31

Winstonm, on Oct 24 2007, 10:25 PM, said:

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I abstained because otherwise helene would nail me


Actually, I was looking to turn this around. :)

I see I am not the only one who thought that. LOL!
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Posted 2007-October-25, 09:12

joshs, on Oct 24 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

Damn I lost my ballet. The sad thing is that I put a nice proof on the back....

*must resist urge to pun*
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Posted 2007-October-25, 10:55

Fluffy, on Oct 25 2007, 03:24 PM, said:

helene_t, on Oct 25 2007, 12:10 AM, said:

See the "We did not vote for Bush" thread for the issue at hand.

Wich of the 30 pages should I look at?

24-27, starting with Sceptic noting that three BoD members abstained.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 11:51

Well, I voted for Arend and Matt, since on this issue I think they are right. If your position is one where you are expected to produce an opinion based on the balance of the individual argument and not because of pre-biases, if you have significant pre-biases, then you should not be in a position to make the decision.

Whether or not people who declare themselves unable to make a fair decision should be replaced or not is another issue, and I shall not comment on this at this time.

As an example, take the case of a murder prosecution. You happen to be the mother of the defendent. Are you suitable to sit on the jury to decide whether or not the accused is guilty?

How about the mother of the victim?

I think this proves that in some cases abstaining is appropriate.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 12:59

sceptic, on Oct 25 2007, 11:53 AM, said:

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As an example, take the case of a murder prosecution. You happen to be the mother of the defendent. Are you suitable to sit on the jury to decide whether or not the accused is guilty?

How about the mother of the victim?

I think this proves that in some cases abstaining is appropriate.


They dont abstain the step down and another juror found???????????

Maybe there is a difference between a BoD that has to make many decisions, and a jury that essentially only has to make one decision?
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Posted 2007-October-25, 13:02

What's the difference? Apart from whether or not the abstainer is (should be) replaced or not, which as I said in my previous post, was an issue that I was not commenting on.

If your argument is that those who abstained should be replaced by someone else, that is a fair point. I do not have enough information on the case (or more specifically on the USBF rules and regulations etc) to comment on the feasibility of this.

If your argument is that people should always vote in situations regardless of other circumstances then I disagree.

Mike said the following:

"Matt I was just thinking of this situation.. Say one of these women was your daughter....Fully disclose this but vote...do not abstain......

Voting for your daughter is fair.....it is not unfair or unjust...

If people do not like it....kick me out of office....."

As far as I can tell, Mike's view is that a juror who is related to the defendent (or victim) would be a suitable juror. It is my view that he or she would not be.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 14:00

mr1303, on Oct 25 2007, 02:02 PM, said:

As far as I can tell, Mike's view is that a juror who is related to the defendent (or victim) would be a suitable juror. It is my view that he or she would not be.

Jurors are different- they are random people who are not made responsible for anything.

I would say that absoutely, a judge should be able to rule on a relative who is a defendant. If they can't, they aren't much of a judge.
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