[shubi]

just because we use computer, wises mans gift, dont mean we have right to sold our soles to CROOKS. We must protect our interset at any cost.
solution.
go bact to old fasioned finger prints
creat a huge data bank or for your client only
creat a credit card macine that will read MULTIPLE finger print
any tempering of finger print detect by machine will be invistaged
try to creat a machine that is simple and can read multiple cards of your client if you can.
LAST THE RIGHTFULL OWNERS FINGER PRINT SHOULD BE PLACED SUCH A WAY MACHINE CAN TELL IF IT IS TEMPERED BY ANYBODY ELSE.

[matmat]

i'd rather not have my fingers cut off at the same time as my credit card is stolen, tyvm.

[helene_t]

The credit card is a ridiculously old-fashioned technology. There are many alternatives that are much cheaper and safer. The eDentifiers used by Dutch banks, for example.

I don't think that finger prints are ideal as proof of identity since they are prone to false mismatches and under some circumstances also to counterfeits. If people can be trusted to keep a password secret, it is better. If they cannot, some combination of biomarkers, hardware keys (rfid or such) and a password may be necessary.

[hrothgar]

Traditionally, the serious security types have recommended a tripart security model in which athurization is based on a combination of

1. Something you have (a physical object like a car key or an ATM card)
2. Something you know (a password or a passphrase)
3. Who you are (biometric identification like a finger print, a retinal scan, or some such)

Many people, myself included, have some grave concerns about large companies or the government fingerprinting everyone. It seems like one of those cases where the cure is worse than the disease.

[shubi]

THANKS guys,
the credit card fraud and identity fraud has nothing to do with computer or our type of protection and the type of financial world we live today, i am sure you know that. we are in this mess because of our know sloppyness nobody to blame.
Even a idiot conn artistist can find out all your personal info very very easily then GO FISH MAY GET THE SUCKERS. With a MULTIPLE finger print process no way to by pass or temper. Duplicate checkes are very common in almost all computer systems of the world, it works talk to your software manufactures. gl
Like to find out more info about Dutch system, please enlight me. thx all

[shubi]

one more thing many special interest groups and individulas will bring up their strong objection on privacy and info on goverment, business, and financial institutions hand. I agree but they already have it anyway we are just shifting it a little bit, we canot destroy the forest to save tree.

[han]

Shubi, I think you should stick to things you know more about, like finding a solution to global unhappiness.

[Quantumcat]

Bioidentity machines aren't as great as they sound. My old work decided to get a fingerprint scanner to replace the paper time sheets. It took 18 months to get it set up and get everybody's data on there, but then I kept getting recognised as another girl (about a third of the time I scanned my finger) and there were five or six other pairs (and triplets) having the same problem. One guy even got recognised as someone different every time he signed on (never once as himself, no matter how many times they re-entered his data!). After two or three months they got rid of it and went back to the traditional signed time sheets, after spending about a million dollars on it, not counting all the extra administrative staff time needed to correct all the errors.

[Al_U_Card]

Hannie, on Oct 4 2007, 12:08 AM, said:

Shubi, I think you should stick to things you know more about, like finding a solution to global unhappiness.

Starting with his threads perhaps?

[shubi]

hi friends I have no intrest to eleminate crime or threat it is not right time to do it , just think how many billions people work on security industry to protect us, its the 3rd largest govermentals expense to protect us after defence and medicine for most of the world, timeing is everything to satify our suprem commender mother nature MOTHER NATUR. For ages we did thing our ways with half brain and with out compasstion. If we really want to eleminate all crime show me one of your geneunie plan for the good of all EARTHLING.

[shubi]

WAKE up call for GREEN MOVEMENT AND STRONG BELIVERS. YOU have points but itis ill convinced, thoughtless, selfish and self centrad. You want to eleminate green house effect and save the world 50 years from now, but please tell us when you do that busninesses cut the jobs HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED BUY OUR BREAD AND BUTTER, WE KNOW how to strave and live with nothing under the rules of nothing for long time, but do you guys thing we can do it for 40 50 years or
YOU GUYS ARE DENCING WITH DEVILS nothing less.
I dont know the position of all the countries joined your danceing act, but I know countries like CANADA, USA, INDIA AND CHINA asked you many times to answer few questions never saw any response with sincirity and and honestness, may be DEVILS music is too amusing?
1. are you sure green house effect is not a natural phenomenon, even though i belive it is wise to eminuate as little as possible to realive MOTHER NATURE burden.
2. how do we save our people from losing jobs?
3. why should we slow down our economic growth?
4. LAST DO YOU HAVE ANY 100% EVIDENCE THAT YOUR APPROACE WILL WORK? OR YOU ARE HELPING DEVIL TO FULLFILL HIS GOAL TO DESTROY ALL Earthling.
One personal comment so far I have no confidence what scientific group does or say, you went to the schools for years passed with destinctions but did not run HOW TO READ between lines.

[matmat]

shubi, on Oct 5 2007, 11:50 AM, said:

WAKE up call for GREEN MOVEMENT AND STRONG BELIVERS. YOU have points but itis ill convinced, thoughtless, selfish and self centrad. You want to eleminate green house effect and save the world 50 years from now, but please tell us when you do that busninesses cut the jobs HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED BUY OUR BREAD AND BUTTER, WE KNOW how to strave and live with nothing under the rules of nothing for long time, but do you guys thing we can do it for 40 50 years or
YOU GUYS ARE DENCING WITH DEVILS nothing less.
I dont know the position of all the countries joined your danceing act, but I know countries like CANADA, USA, INDIA AND CHINA asked you many times to answer few questions never saw any response with sincirity and and honestness, may be DEVILS music is too amusing?
1. are you sure green house effect is not a natural phenomenon, even though i belive it is wise to eminuate as little as possible to realive MOTHER NATURE burden.
2. how do we save our people from losing jobs?
3. why should we slow down our economic growth?
4. LAST DO YOU HAVE ANY 100% EVIDENCE THAT YOUR APPROACE WILL WORK? OR YOU ARE HELPING DEVIL TO FULLFILL HIS GOAL TO DESTROY ALL Earthling.
One personal comment so far I have no confidence what scientific group does or say, you went to the schools for years passed with destinctions but did not run HOW TO READ between lines.

new slogan for y'all

"Save the planet -- eliminate all humans!"

[Gerben42]

Why did I want to save the planet again? It's doing fine. It will still be there after we left, you know.

[matmat]

Gerben42, on Oct 5 2007, 01:36 PM, said:

Why did I want to save the planet again? It's doing fine. It will still be there after we left, you know.

you need to save the planet, because you never know when it might be useful on a rainy day. just stuff it under the mattress or in your sock or something.

[keylime]

I'm waiting for the global warming post to fire a few rounds off. I intend to fully increase my carbon footprint then.

[matmat]

keylime, on Oct 5 2007, 02:38 PM, said:

I'm waiting for the global warming post to fire a few rounds off. I intend to fully increase my carbon footprint then.

global warming is the devil

[Quantumcat]

Shubi, when you post, don't get so overexcited. Slow down and proof read your post to see if it's understandable before you post. Punctuation and paragraphs, especially. If you do that then people will understand everything you say and you can have a proper debate. I don't mean any offence, just a friendly tip.

[Al_U_Card]

Shubi would have to up his meds quite a bit to get down to overexcited....

He is to coherence what incandescent light is to lasers.

[shubi]

As of my last information Financial Sector is almost ready to test Cheacking with finger print devices and methods. Just one thing friends 'EVERYBODY MUST PAY THE PIPEER' mother nature's law. Talk to you later.
shubi, canada, root, india

[shubi]

Hi Hi Quantumcat,
How are you? You mentioned a subject that I feel deeply about, you may noticed I USUALLY never response to many posts. But your's is different, I used to have that debate over and over again at EBRIDGE. The short version, as the DEVELOPMENT of Internet, ENGLISH is no longer any Countries or Races property, its ours, its International, we decide how to use it or not, not bound by any countries percived grammer, spelling or punction rules.
hopes its clears it up,
shubi, canada, root, india.