[Miron]

Scoring: IMP

1♠ - p - 1NT - x
?

1NT forsing (we play 2/1)

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What are your reasons to bid/not bid.

[joker_gib]

I show my 6 cards suit directly so I bid 2♠.

It does not show extras in my book and it is now more difficult for W to enter the auction and show something

Alain

[Fluffy]

2♠ seems automatic, gets you 1 step further if the bidding becomes competitive.

[FrancesHinden]

After a very painful (-800) experience here a while ago, we've stopped bidding 2S on hands like this. I've also been monitoring the hands on which we haven't bid 2S, and it hasn't cost us anything yet.

It's not the high cards, it's the quality of the suit. KQ109xx and I would bid.

[P_Marlowe]

2S, preempts the opponents, killing the
whole 2 level, and I know which suit I
prefer as trumps.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

FrancesHinden, on Mar 28 2006, 11:12 AM, said:

After a very painful (-800) experience here a while ago, we've stopped bidding 2S on hands like this. I've also been monitoring the hands on which we haven't bid 2S, and it hasn't cost us anything yet.

It's not the high cards, it's the quality of the suit. KQ109xx and I would bid.

Well, you do have KQ and the 9. It's not like you're rebidding 2♠ on jack-high

The 2♠ bid is highly obstructive. In fact, it's a real PAIN of a bid for opps. One cannot miss the chance to make such a bothersome bid, even if it risks the occasional axing

[Miron]

OK, thanks for all the posts. I thought I shoudn't said 2♠, but I see my bid was OK.
We ended in 4♠x one down. Was it just pity or there was some bad bidding?

Scoring: IMP

1♠ - p - 1NT - x
2♠ - p - 4♠ - p
p - x - all

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[mike777]

I do not understand p 4s bid?


If you open random 11 hcp then 4s is just silly...if you open 14 hcp then ok.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

just ask your partner, what was his intention
bidding 1NT.
Did he want to show a inv. raise with 3 card
support?
Yes? Why did he change plan?
Did he find an additional card, which suddenly
changed the strength of his hand from inv. to
game force?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

Perhaps Partner thought your 2S bid showed some playing strength above a minimum opening.

[Miron]

Our methods are:
1NT can contain 3-card support without shortness and 9-12
after 1♠ - 1NT - 2♣ - 3♠ shows bad limit raise
after 1♠ - 1NT - 2♠ - 3/4♠ shows bad limit raise (3♠ invite)
(1♠ - 1NT - 2♠ - 3/4♠ can be made also with dubleton)

1♠ - p - 1NT - x
2♠ - p - 4♠
Bad limit raise, maximum

[Codo]

1 NT showed inviting with 3 Sapdes else it had been just a silly masterminding bid.
So, pd should follow his plan and bid 3 Spade and you may accept the invitation.

But even if Frances is right and pd suspect more playing strength from you (I had too) , 4 Spade is a nice contract.
They must lead a club to the king and switch to the diamonds afterwards, or they must take exactly two rounds of Diamond and switch to a club in a way, that we cannot score the queen.

Bad luck, but I would feal very well, if all my game contracts would be as good as this one seemed to be-before the lead...

[mike777]

Codo, on Mar 29 2006, 05:22 AM, said:

1 NT showed inviting with 3 Sapdes else it had been just a silly masterminding bid.
So, pd should follow his plan and bid 3 Spade and you may accept the invitation.

But even if Frances is right and pd suspect more playing strength from you (I had too) , 4 Spade is a nice contract.
They must lead a club to the king and switch to the diamonds afterwards, or they must take exactly two rounds of Diamond and switch to a club in a way, that we cannot score the queen.

Bad luck, but I would feal very well, if all my game contracts would be as good as this one seemed to be-before the lead...

why?

what do you expect with 2s?
partner had an 8ltc hand? why bid 4s?
rho has all the hcp does that make responder hand better?
opener has minimum hand, what has made it better?

It seems responder has a minimum 3 card limit raise at best......maybe less?

[hatchett]

Sometimes with 3 card support you bid a forcing NT and then when you learn of partner's 6th spade you bid 4♠. Some play a 2NT as a one round force in this sequence, in this way you find out more about partner's hand than the space consuming 3♠.

By the way I also wouldn't mind being in game on this hand.

[P_Marlowe]

Miron, on Mar 29 2006, 05:17 AM, said:

<snip>
1♠ - p - 1NT - x
2♠ - p - 4♠
Bad limit raise, maximum
<snip>

That means, 2S promises add. values, i.e. a opening bid
better than min., and this answers your original question, you
have an opening bid, but not an opening better than min.,
in other words you should have passed according to your
partnership agreements.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

another typical opening hand problem

for many this hand is extras.....so bid more...
For those of you playing very sound opening bids..this is a weak 2 spades bid not 1sbid with extras!

[P_Marlowe]

mike777, on Mar 29 2006, 06:03 AM, said:

another typical opening hand problem

for many this hand is extras.....so bid more...
For those of you playing very sound opening bids..this is a weak 2 spades bid not 1sbid with extras!

Hi Mike,

I was considering a weak 2 bid, being red
vs. green, it is on the border, i.e. the actual
hand is a bid to heavy for a weak 2, but it is
close, e.g. take away the Queen, a card with
a dubious value anyway, and I would probably
open 2S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[bearmum]

2♠ is my bid WTP? I have a respectable 6 card suit -- no 'extra' values and this also makes E/W bid at the 3 level

[kenberg]

Bad news: Only one other player passes.

Good news: It's Frances.

As for how you ended in 4S: I suppose partner played you for a bit more. If you have the king of clubs instead of the queen of clubs, you may well make it. He sees some shape and a nine card fit, he bids the game.

I am a bit more cautious than either of you. I definitely wouldn't bid 2S, and I think if I held the other hand I would invite with 3S. But then we could miss a game that way. I'm closer to your partner's 4S than I am to your 2S.

Doesn't look all that horrible either way. I guess if it's a regular partner there should be some discussion about what to expect from each other in situations like this.

[whereagles]

I think you shouldn't demand extras for the 2♠ bid. The obstructive effect is too much of an advantage to have it chopped off due to "low hcp".