[Miron]

First hand:

Scoring: IMP

p - 1♣ - p - 1♠
p - 2♠ - p - ?

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Second hand:

Scoring: IMP

p - 1♣ - p - 1♠
p - 2♠ - p - ?

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1♣ = 2+♣, could be 4-4, if ♣ are better then ♦
(now opener has 4+♣, because he is unbalanced)
(Other opennings: 1♦=4+♦, 1NT=11-14)
2♠ = 3+♠, 12-14, unbalanced - usually singleton somewhere

Any suggestion why you would or would not invite are welcome.

[whereagles]

Assuming pard would have streched to 3♠ on a 5-4 with a good 13-14 hcp concentrated on his main suits, I would pass both hands.

[Gerben42]

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Assuming pard would have streched to 3♠ on a 5-4 with a good 13-14 hcp concentrated on his main suits, I would pass both hands.

He would not, we are playing weak NT. So what would pd bid on a min. strong NT and 4-card support? This is the main hand I want to play game opposite.

[Miron]

whereagles, on Mar 14 2006, 11:07 AM, said:

Assuming pard would have streched to 3♠ on a 5-4 with a good 13-14 hcp concentrated on his main suits, I would pass both hands.

Why would he bid 3♠ with just 13-14 points? What could be his bid with 17?
With AK10x xxx x AK10xx, I'll say 3♠, but not a weaker hand.

[Miron]

Gerben42, on Mar 14 2006, 11:12 AM, said:

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Assuming pard would have streched to 3♠ on a 5-4 with a good 13-14 hcp concentrated on his main suits, I would pass both hands.

He would not, we are playing weak NT. So what would pd bid on a min. strong NT and 4-card support? This is the main hand I want to play game opposite.

We play it this way:

1♣ - p - 1♠ - p
1NT = 15-17, balanced, could be with 4♠
2NT = 18-19, balanced, could be with 4♠
2♠ = 12-14, unbalanced, 3+♠
3♠ = 15-17, unbalanced, 4+♠
4♠ = 18-19, unbalanced, 4+♠
Splinters are possible but usually not used (only exceptional hands and/or voids).

[whereagles]

Miron, on Mar 14 2006, 10:15 AM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 14 2006, 11:07 AM, said:

Assuming pard would have streched to 3♠ on a 5-4 with a good 13-14 hcp concentrated on his main suits, I would pass both hands.

Why would he bid 3♠ with just 13-14 points? What could be his bid with 17?
With AK10x xxx x AK10xx, I'll say 3♠, but not a weaker hand.

Well, what I mean is with, say,

♠ KQxx
♥ Axx
♦ x
♣ AJTxx

or

♠ KJTx
♥ Kx
♦ x
♣ AJTxxx

it feels right to bid 3♠, despite the 'min'. If pard would bid 3♠ on these, I'd pass 2♠. Otherwise I guess I'd need to invite.

[luke warm]

i'd invite on both, playing a weak nt

[pclayton]

Itr really depends how disciplined your minor suit openings are playing a weak NT. If you are opening trashy 11's and have to raise 1♠ to 2♠ with: Qxx, AQxx, x, Kxxxx then I wouldn't invite on the 1st but probably the 2nd.

If you play sounder openings in the minors, which is how I think a weak NT system should be played, then I think I'd invite on both.