[asdfg2k]

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Bully pulpit? I wonder what that is...........

I will take the bait, although I probably shouldn't. You are implying that my actions are on a par with Claus'. [sigh]

Do you not see a significant difference? I have posted my thoughts with the anticipation that there will be an open discussion of points being made, nuances implied and ultimate meanings clarified.

For you to imply that my disagreement with his intended usage of this thread is a similar tactic just doesn't stand up to the light.

You are free to disagree with me.

Heck, everybody is free to disagree with me.

I welcome the opportunity to clarify my intended meaning.

Maybe if I had said: "I am hacking the board to delete this thread as I, personally, find it objectionable and even though I am not a moderator I know how to do so and therefore am excersizing that ability."

In that case I would agree that the attempt is to bully.

But how can an open discussion ever be confused with bullying? Or is it that if you merely disagree with someone you are a bully?

OK, in that case, mea culpa.

[asdfg2k]

Luke, I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by ignoring or twisting that which I've said, but I'll try one last time and then you can have the last word:

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I was not provoked. Nor do I think there was a failure to communicate. He wanted to have a thread all to himself and in the absence of special circumstances, I think that is inappropriate and I said so. No big deal.

what "special circumstances?" who determines those? you? live and let live

Each individual determines his own special circumstances. You are free to apply your own. You have stated that you are unlikely to do so. That is your right. But why do you think that others aren't entitled to their own opinions? And, if they do have those opinions, why do you think it is inappropriate to mention them? If you go back to my original post, I left the door wide open for hordes of people to shout me down. As I said, it was only my opinion as to what is appropriate. If offering an opinion puts somebody into a camp that you don't like, why not say that you believe a different view and implore Claus to soldier on? Don't you think his "I'm going to pick up my toys and go home." post was a bit telling?

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of course you weren't provoked... how could you be? claus simply wanted to start a thread in which help was made available to those who need it...

No, he wanted to start a thread where nobody's methods, opinions, etc. other than his own are shown the light of day. I find that beyond offensive. There is absolutely nothing stopping him from doing what you describe. Nothing. Other than a self-imposed requirement which is patently offensive to me in a Forum setting.

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whether you intended it or not, your posts in this thread have come across as bullying - they read with an 'i know what's proper and correct and it'll be that way or no way' slant...

I will not adopt a line of reasoning that says if one states their opinion that they are in any way attempting to bully. Persuade? Sure. Isn't that the purpose of these Forums? To have discussion? Maybe I missed that part in the rules about how if you disagree with something, you should just ignore it. They may be part of your rules. They are not part of mine.

Feel free to beat me up any way you wish. I'm made my points to the best of my ability. If you don't agree, fine. If you fail to see my logic, fine. If you would have done something different had you been me, fine.

But don't tell me that open discussion is discouraged. That is not fine. It is against everything that Forums attempt to accomplish. It is BAD.

[Al_U_Card]

Hmmmm perhaps I'll try another bromide, "If you haven't got something nice to say about someone then don't say anything at all."

I find your intervention not only unnecessary (we are all adults here) but condescending as well as repugnant. When I need someone to defend my rights or personal interests I'll wait for Superman or Batman or........anyone else.

[inquiry]

Well before we go too far afield... chasing off claus was not a good idea. He has studied not only how to use the program, but the file format. This is important for people wanting advanced help. While his english suggesting that the topic of this thread was going to be "let claus help" and off topic post (ie other help) was not wanted may not be in the spirit of a forum setting, there are plenty of people who could use plenty of help with FD.

To get away from personal attacks, we will keep this thread alive and answer real questions about FD should they arise. IF claus isn't doing it, there are others. I know the file format and how to use the program too... so I can help. When I saw claus wanted to handle this I stayed away from the thread thinking all was being handled here.. clearly it wasn't.

Can claus limit the replies to his own? Not officially. Did "we" (well some of us) have to bash him for suggesting he could? Of course not. We are suppose to be a friendly helpful community... Let's try to remember that, and tone down the harsh rhetoric.

ben

[jillybean]

asdfg2k, on Mar 7 2006, 05:10 PM, said:

If jilly and bob posted the same sort of demand and I ran across it (I may yet) I promise to give that thread an earful, too.

Whoa! I’ve just stumbled across this and before you give me an earful let me explain!. Each post in ‘jilly and bobs’ thread specifically says ** don’t reply to this ** simply because the thread is being used solely for a lesson schedule and each reply generates an email to people as notification of a new lesson time.

If you want to discuss any aspect of the I-abc or offer to run a lesson there is another thread you a welcome to use

http://forums.bridge...topic=12100&hl=

...start a new one or just talk to me or Bob or who ever it is who can best help you.

jb

[luke warm]

jillybean2, on Mar 8 2006, 03:07 PM, said:

If you want to discuss any aspect of the I-abc or offer to run a lesson there is another thread you a welcome to use

http://forums.bridge...topic=12100&hl=

...start a new one or just talk to me or Bob or who ever it is who can best help you.

jb

and that is all i understood claus wanted to do... if one wanted to discuss or help others they could always start a new thread... there was no sense in, in effect, preempting an offer by claus that might possibly have helped many people

he had the right to offer his help under any conditions he chose... we had the right to refuse or accept his help, under those conditions.... he had the right to withdraw that offer... and he has done so

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No, he wanted to start a thread where nobody's methods, opinions, etc. other than his own are shown the light of day. I find that beyond offensive.

so what? nobody is asking you to *not* be offended... but why should your feelings of affront affect the rest of us?

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Feel free to beat me up any way you wish. I'm made my points to the best of my ability. If you don't agree, fine. If you fail to see my logic, fine.

i haven't beat you up... and i don't agree with your 'points' and i do fail to see your 'logic'... and that's that