[Al_U_Card]

The system integrates easily to 2/1. Minor suit openers and NT rebids are as follows:

1NT 11-12
1D-1NT rebid 13-14
1C-1NT rebid 15-16
1D-2NT rebid 17-18
1C-2NT rebid 19-20
2NT 21-22 or can be played as weak 2 suiter or as transfer pre-empt (MisIry) with 2C -2NT rebid showing 21-22 and 2C-2D-2H-2S-2NT showing 23+ (Kokish)

Minor can be as short as 2. Forcing for 1 round. Pard can respond in a 3 card suit if less than 5 hcp.

After 1C opening responder bids 1NT with 5-6 hcp (balanced no 4cm) and after 1D opening responder bids 1NT with 7-8 hcp (balanced no 4cm). Most invitational sequences are adjusted accordingly. (NMF or CBS)

Response structure over 1NT opening as follows:

2 Clubs........... this is a relay to 2D, and it is used for various hand shapes
and HCP's.
2 Diamonds.... this is non-forcing stayman. It is not used with game-going
values.
2 H / S............ shows at least 5 cards and less than 11 HCP.
2 No-trump..... shows an 12+ to 14- HCP hand (no 4 card major).
3 C/D/H/S....... shows a 6+ card suit and pre-emptive values.
3 No-trump..... shows a 14 to 17+ HCP hand (no 4 card major).
4 C/D/H/S....... pre-emptive in nature, to play. (4NT is pick a minor.)

after a 2C (forcing) response and a 2D relay, responders bids are:

pass .............. responder has a weak hand with diamonds.
2 H/S ............. a 5 card suit and 11+ to 14- HCP.
2 No-trump .... game-forcing stayman (see descriptive bids by opener, below). Responder has 14+ HCP, and one or both 4 card majors. The opener then describes his hand by either transferring into one or both of his 4 card major(s) or showing a min. or max. hand.

3 C/D/H/S ..... a 5+ card suit with 14+ HCP. Opener raises or bids 3 no-trump, with a doubleton in the suit, so that responder can explore for slam.

3 No-trump.... this is forcing minor suit stayman. Responder promises at least 4 cards in one or both minors and the values to play at the 5 level. This finds the 4-4 minor suit fit for slam play.

4 Clubs.......... progressive gerber (no 4 card major, re-bids of 4 or 5 NT are not asks,they are to play.)

4 D/H/S/NT ... KICKBACK Roman key-card for the suit immediately below the asking suit..


More extensive system notes are available. This system has been used for over 10 years with good results, especially matchpoints. Willing to discuss adjustments with someone who is up to the challenge.

[Gerben42]

Ugh... a 3-point 1NT range is better, not to mention 3/2 as frequent.
I have played 2/1 with:

1NT = 11 - 13 (to be fair...good 10 also counts)
1NT rebid = 14 - 16
2NT rebid = 17 - 18

Much better since you keep 1♦ natural.

[Chamaco]

Hehe, not so "super" weak NT, some players do play (at the right vulnerability) 1NT = 9+/12-

[Al_U_Card]

Well, it was originally 10-12 (I toyed with 8-9 but the other rebid values were too screwed up.) and I also OVERCALLED with 10-12 (medication...lol) which had interesting results altho not always favorable....

The big advantage (other than surprise) was the tighter range for balanced hands and the 1NT response over 1C (5-6) and 2NT (9-10) etc. when opener had long clubs there was a safe spot in C to land in and the opps were often preempted out of their balancing major fit.

[EarlPurple]

your system looks nice but could break if the opponents compete over 1♣ or 1♦

[luke warm]

i used to play sorta like gerben, but was 10-13 in a 2/1 framework... i loved it, but was hard to get others to like it as much heh.. in mine tho, 2c was invitational puppet and 2d was game force relay

[pigpenz]

I play 10-13 NT range.....originally was fist played 8-10 before ACBL stepped in

when playing in Denver once played against John Keirnan who put out the book Kamikaze NT why he switched to that spread, he said that extra point he found out just made it alitte hard for opps to count out your hand.

I used to love Kibbing Mike Smolen and Ed Davis when they played together, their range was also 10-13.

But anyone one who would like to go at it, just PM and ill give it a go

[pigpenz]

Jlall, on Sep 23 2005, 02:00 PM, said:

My dad played with smolen back in the day, they played 8-10

Back then they used to call it Western Rabbit.

Maybe it was your dad Smolen was talking about, Back at the Fresno Nationals in 80 he said he layed dummy down and his partner reached across the table and shook his hand and said they are cold for game in anything they could have bid.

[han]

Your system looks fine, especially nonvul in 1st and 2nd seat. I would make two tiny adjustments:

first, I'd play 1NT = 10-12.

If you play this, you must think it is good to preempt with 1NT. why not make the range more than 3/2 as large?

second, I wouldn't change anything but play 1C and 1D as non-forcing. Sure, you might have 2 clubs, but when I'm broke with 4 or more clubs this will likely play better than 2NT.

[Al_U_Card]

The original ranges were 10-12,13-15, 16-18 for the 1NT and balanced minor suit opening/1NT rebids. This worked fine and the occurance of the 1C 1D being passed when on a 2-3 fit happened about twice in 500 sessions.

I made the "adjustments" recently and they are, as yet, untried. I mostly used it at MP and only had an issue with 10-12 hcp 5332, 5 card major hands. They tended to fare badly opposite the field when I opened them 1NT.

[pigpenz]

have you dont a full disclosre bss file of yours yet i am presently working on mine for openings and interference over 1nt 10-13 openings.

I have presently been thinking of changing to
1♣ 4clubs or 14+ balanced
1♦ 4diamonds or 14+balanced
1♥ 4Hearts or 14+balanced
1♠ 5 spades

so am thinking of going back to what i used to play a 4Card Major structure with 10-13NT

[Blofeld]

pigpenz, on Oct 13 2005, 11:41 AM, said:

I have presently been thinking of changing to
1♣ 4clubs or 14+ balanced
1♦ 4diamonds or 14+balanced
1♥ 4Hearts or 14+balanced
1♠ 5 spades

so am thinking of going back to what i used to play a 4Card Major structure with 10-13NT

So how do you decide what to open with a 14+ hand?

[pigpenz]

generally your going to open and rebid 1NT showing balanced 14-17. so there will be hands where you do open 3 card minor. I feel what you end up gaining on is that generally when you open a suit you generally have it So you end up opening the balanced 10-13 hands 1NT not 1minor on a 3 card suit.


Here is a link to Ed Davis notes on 1NT 10-13....he was a regular partner of the late Mike Smolen

http://www.gg.caltec...system/kamikaze

[Blofeld]

Oh, you're preaching to the clergy as concerns a 10-13 no trump. I was just interested in your approach to the 14-17 hands.

[pigpenz]

Blofeld, on Oct 13 2005, 04:17 PM, said:

Oh, you're preaching to the clergy as concerns a 10-13 no trump. I was just interested in your approach to the 14-17 hands.

Preaching!!!!
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